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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (64797)	12/2/1999 8:24:00 PM
From: Michael M	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Lizzie, so, it's OK to steal from Nike, if the crowd you're hanging with doesn't like the company? On the subject of parents (fathers, actually) who may have burned draft cards, is this just idle curiosity on your part, or some kind of legal defense for stealing the shoes?

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (64797)	12/2/1999 8:28:00 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Lizzie, That,of course, is a very tough question for a parent (or you wouldn't have asked). The ideal me wants to say absolutely, my children should be prosecuted for stealing, regardless of the circumstances. Of course, in the actual situation, I would probably be fighting very hard for their record, their grades, their reputations, their youth, to be considered once IN court. But should they be prosecuted the same? Yes. The punishment is where I would expect the differences to be considered--- which is not unusual in that phase of a trial. I believe that when one chooses to commit acts that might be punishable under the law, regardless of how one feels about the fairness of the law- one must be prepared to face the consequences of that law. CW choose to do something he knew was teetering on the boundaries of acceptability last year (the week of graduation no less). We had warned him and were not sympathetic when he got into trouble. Did we support him all the way through it. You bet. But teaching our children to face consequences for actions that are illegal, unethical, immoral, stupid, passively imitative, or committed because of a true belief...is something we thought important. Without the consequences there is no accountability for their own actions, and then you have acts without thought, without fear, without care. The burning of my draft card would not be relevant to my expectations for my children.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (64797)	12/2/1999 8:58:00 PM
From: Ish	Respond to of 108807

Both groups prosecuted the same. Theft is theft. <<I wonder how many of those kids had parents that burned their draft cards in the 60s anyway?>> It doesn't matter.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (64797)	12/2/1999 10:25:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 108807

The maxim is, "if you do the crime, be willing to do the time." People who burned draft cards were willing to go to jail for their beliefs. Maybe "willing" isn't the word, more like "resolved." I remember the first time I saw a friend of mine shoplift, we were in a grocery store, and he just shoved something into his pants, and my shock must have shown on my face. "Don't worry," he said, "it's A&P, it's not like I'm hurting anybody." It's true that one small theft is a drop in the bucket, but all the drops together add up to something quite staggering. My belief is that before you do something, you should ask yourself, "would I like to live in a world where everybody does what I am about to do?" and if the answer is no, don't do it.