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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (67236)	12/18/1999 6:40:00 PM
From: George S. Montgomery	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Chas! I think that, when Christine stepped out of the Safe Zone, you bopped her with a Sticky Ball. And she can either pretend it ain't there, or she can, with intensive research, come back at you with proof that the evangelistic wife-beaters were all Catholics. (Though that's much too low a goal for Catholics of history - who had wars and inquisitions and missionizariations to take care of.) I am ticked off that no one responded to my "definition/knowledge" note! geo

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (67236)	12/18/1999 7:25:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 108807

Catholic priests urged men to beat their wives to keep them under control LOL, where do you get this? Publications of the Naiad Press? Charley and MSB, Are you disputing this unique claim or the general environment for women (both historically and recently) in Ireland? I believe Ireland is oppressive for women even today, but has improved greatly from only 40 years ago (when they sent women to prison or to the convent for promiscuity). A number of high tech firms have opened up shop in Dublin and the issue of the "accepted lifestyle" for single women has become a concern. If you are pregnant and single, you can't get an apartment. If you are a single woman and have a male over for the night, you will likely be evicted - stuff like that. This is all mandated by "the church" (as if it is some sort of regulatory agency). Really, its fairly common knowledge that Ireland for women is fairly oppressive. I'm surprised you would dispute that? One thing that always bothered me about the church as everyones policeman is that they blame everything on the women in society - EVERYTHING.

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (67236)	12/19/1999 6:08:00 AM
From: nihil	Respond to of 108807

Millions of witches were burned, many of them heretics, Joan of Arc, Cathars, Protestant Bishops (e.g. Latimer). Many of the heretics ordered killed by the Inquisition were also accused of witchcraft (like Joan). see, f. i. math.auckland.ac.nz

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (67236)	12/21/1999 12:38:00 AM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Are you seriously asserting that no "witches" were burned in Europe during the Inquisition? Here is the web page of a museum in Germany which has executioners' masks and torture devices of all sorts from the period. Is it possible that they manufactured these items and the story behind them? rhinecastles.com And here is a tract which discusses the witch burnings, including the estimate by archaeologist Marija Gumbatas at the University of California who believes that as many as nine million women died in a during the witch-craze in Europe: paganteahouse.com I think nine million might be a bit high. We do not have all the historical records, although I have read lists including thousands of women's names, with the date and where they were tortured and murdered. That wonderful video, The Burning Times, also uses the nine million figure.