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To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (10747)12/20/1999 11:43:00 PM
From: Neenny  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 32871
 
I deleted it.....<ggg>

is that the curve you were waiting for???

LOL

(since I am not on the hot list....maybe "nobody" noticed it!!! Now if Mr Hot himself had posted it, then "everyone" would have known, but since it was just me.....don't sweat it.)

smiles
Jane




To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (10747)12/21/1999 4:09:00 AM
From: EL KABONG!!!  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 32871
 
As we get closer to December 22nd, you'll probably read more postings like the following one I plucked from the Yahoo! message boards:

messages.yahoo.com

Shades of Elliot Wave Miracles
by: mad_dog_fleas

12/10/1999 1:47 pm EST Msg: 3296 of 3422

This year will be the first full moon to occur on the winter solstice, Dec. 22, commonly called the first day of winter. Since a full moon on the winter solstice occurred in conjunction with a lunar perigee (point in the moon's orbit that is closest to Earth) The moon will appear about 14% larger than it does at apogee (the point in it's elliptical orbit that is farthest from the Earth) since the Earth is also several million miles closer to the sun at this time of the year than in the summer, sunlight striking the moon is about 7% stronger making it brighter. Also, this will be the closest perigee of the Moon of the year since the moon's orbit is constantly deforming. If the weather is clear and there is a snow cover where you live, it is believed that even car headlights will be superfluous.

On December 21st. 1866 the Lakota Sioux took advantage of this combination of occurrences and staged a devastating retaliatory ambush on soldiers in the Wyoming Territory.

In laymen's terms it will be a super bright full moon, much more than the usual AND it hasn't happened this way for 133 years!

Our ancestors 133 years ago saw this. Our descendants 100 or so years from now will see this again.

In light of Stock Markets it will be a record day. Remember this will happen December 22, 1999.....


Where the story likely started...

almanac.com

The facts...

skypub.com

Wednesday, December 15

Brightest Moon in 133 Years?


Suddenly a lot of people are asking this question: Will the full Moon of December 22, 1999, be the brightest full Moon in 133 years? They're asking, apparently, because of an article in the Old Farmer's Almanac that is being widely circulated by e-mail.

According to Roger W. Sinnott, associate editor of Sky & Telescope magazine, the answer is unequivocal: No!

It is true that there is a most unusual coincidence of events this year. As S&T contributing editor Fred Schaaf points out in the December 1999 issue of Sky & Telescope, "The Moon reaches its very closest point all year on the morning of December 22nd. That's only a few hours after the December solstice and a few hours before full Moon. Ocean tides will be exceptionally high and low that day."

But to have these three events -- lunar perigee, solstice, and full Moon -- occur on nearly the same day is not especially rare. The situation was rather similar in December 1991 and December 1980, as the following dates and Universal Times show:

Event ....... Dec. 1999 .... Dec. 1991 .... Dec. 1980
Full Moon ... 22, 18h ...... 21, 10h ...... 21, 18h
Perigee ..... 22, 11h ...... 22, 09h ...... 19, 05h
Solstice .... 22, 08h ...... 22, 09h ...... 21, 17h

What is really rare is that in 1999 the three events take place in such quick succession. On only two other occasions in modern history have the full Moon, lunar perigee, and December solstice coincided within a 24-hour interval, coming just 23 hours apart in 1991 (as indicated in the preceding table) and 20 hours apart back in 1866. The 10-hour spread on December 22, 1999, is unmatched at any time in the last century and a half.

So is it really true, as numerous faxes and e-mails to Sky & Telescope have claimed, that the Moon will be brighter this December 22nd than at any time in the last 133 years? We have researched the actual perigee distances of the Moon throughout the years 1800-2100, and here are some perigees of "record closeness" that also occurred at the time of full Moon:

Date .......... Distance (km)
1866 Dec. 21 .. 357,289
1893 Dec. 23 .. 356,396
1912 Jan. 04 .. 356,375
1930 Jan. 15 .. 356,397
1999 Dec. 22 .. 356,654
2052 Dec. 06 .. 356,421

It turns out, then, that the Moon comes closer to Earth in the years 1893, 1912, 1930, and 2052 than it does in either 1866 or 1999. The difference in brightness will be exceedingly slight. But if you want to get technical about it, the full Moon must have been a little brighter in 1893, 1912, and 1930 than in either 1866 or 1999 (based on the calculated distances).

The 1912 event is undoubtedly the real winner, because it happened just one day after the Earth was closest to the Sun that year. However, according to a calculation by Belgian astronomer Jean Meeus, the full Moon on January 4, 1912, was only 0.24 magnitude (about 25 percent) brighter than an "average" full Moon.

In any case, these are issues only for the astronomical record books. This month's full Moon won't look dramatically brighter than normal. Most people won't notice a thing, despite the e-mail chain letter that implies we'll see something amazing.

Our data are from the U.S. Naval Observatory's ICE computer program, Jean Meeus's Astronomical Algorithms, page 332, and the August 1981 issue of Sky & Telescope, page 110.



To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (10747)12/24/1999 12:03:00 AM
From: Jack Hartmann  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 32871
 
Jorj: Something odd. When I try to read the profile of MSC. My computer locks up. Message 11041516 I know the moon is out, but this weird.
BTW: Was Viperchick/Lisa really that bad to get kicked off of SI?
Jack