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To: haqihana who wrote (11721)	2/20/2000 7:35:00 PM
From: chalu2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

I think nihil was right in being concerned that a man who was genitally inadequate was serving beside him. In any event, I think the man in question volunteered the information to nihil, perhaps in the belief that, as a man of science, nihil had heard of a cure or remedy for the man's "iadequate equipment." Perhaps penis size should be added to the list of matters as to which "don't ask, don't tell" applies. On the other hand, lives are at stake. But this is a military matter as to which I claim no particular expertise.

To: haqihana who wrote (11721)	2/20/2000 7:54:00 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Haqi, you don't understand anything about the real world. No rational human being willingly go into combat, especially in the USMC which has never learned about flanking movements -- just slam bang, hit the beach, up the hill, plant the flag, and die. The only way the Marines have ever succeeded in combat is for the troops to be a band of brothers, devoted to each other, proud of their Corps, and more afraid of their gunny than of the enemy (the first two don't really count). As Sgt. Dan Dailey said at Beaulieu wood, "Come on you bastards, do you want to live forever?" What a way to talk! The reason you don't understand about penises is that you are not "A fucking Marine." Now the Army, I understand, is a bunch of candy-asses, scared of their shadows. I have been told that officers in Vietnam were unwilling to risk Al Gore's life and health. Under a Democratic Administration (Truman) the son of the Secretary of Defense (Forrestal), had his head blown up as a young Marine officer in Korea. I am told by a raving lunatic ex colonel that no officer today is brave enough to do his duty as chief of staff if he has to accept homosexuals as Al is alleged to require (hope he's right). You have to make men go to war. If they won't go, you have to shoot them. Washington did it frequently when he was a traitor to England in the field. Lincoln executed cowardly soldiers. I have to tell you what goes on after every battle in history. The winners go through their wounded, treating the officers first, and divide them into tres partes: (1) to hospital to be cured; (2) to wait until help is available to be sedated; (3) to be killed, mercifully and quickly or with extra syrettes of morphine if available. The enemy in the field are all put in part 3. Troops of the winning side go out to rob the dead (you always carried something valuable, a gold coin, a watch, a fancy sword so you could bargain to become a hostage or bribe the guard). The Japanese, North Koreans, Chinese, Vietnamese were generally too poor and treacherous to be worth talking to or searching, so our troops just blew them away. Talk to any combat soldier. Read any honest memoir (Marine Sniper, Rumors of War). There is a striking movie -- "Defense of Firebase Shirley" which is the only film I've seen that shows this clearly, but "Apocalypse Now" has that horrible boat scene. See Patton. Read The Face of War. Read Das Boot. Jacques Plevier's Stalingrad. Berlin. Moscow. All Quiet on the Western Front. Read anything that is not covered in sentimental patriotism and come back and tell me that it isn't necessary to brutalize troops to make them march into hell. Send them home! Hell. Shoot your officers and go home and collect the harvest (B. Shaw in 1914). Ah to be a red-faced major and hurry young heroes up to death. Ah to be loved for the dangers one has past. Truth! Read it like it really is. Throw out the war mongers (shoot them if necessary). Learn the truth! I admit that I was young and romantic. That I wanted to save the world from communism. That I had always wanted to be a professional soldier. That I was tough enough to do anything necessary, even kill. Shouting in a feathermerchant's ear was better than bayonetting him or leaving him behind when bugging out (a phrase that got you courtmartialed in the USMC of my day) to be captured and tortured by the enemy. I was doing my duty. The Army had left thousands wounded on the field at Chosin Reservoir (read The New Breed). The Marines marched back with all their wounded, all their dead, and plenty Chinese prisoners (Read "Fox Hill" in New Breed). You know nothing about war, and I hope you never have to learn.