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To: Neocon who wrote (77184)	4/7/2000 5:21:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I admit education has huge flaws, but I'd hazard the statement that it's the best we got. How else do you start to inculcate the strangely controversial yet utterly necessary idea that gays are people too? Education might have unexpected effects, but it beats the **** out of no education. ...Oh my. This could be another can of worms. I plead exhaustion and hope you understand if I don't run with this.

To: Neocon who wrote (77184)	4/7/2000 5:47:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

<<I am not saying that education never works, but I do not trust "educators" to construct something helpful.......>> A while back I posed a question to Edwarda which she over looked and no one else picked up. Given this comment of yours I'll try again. Why can we walk in to a classroom where the teacher is using the same methods of classroom management and discipline as other teachers in the building who have the same students in different periods; yet we see the students in one classroom are unruly and in the other classroom they are applying themselves seriously to learning tasks?

To: Neocon who wrote (77184)	4/8/2000 12:27:00 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

The "anti-smoking" propaganda doesn't have a chance when all the cool young movie stars smoke, AND when they all smoke in the coolest movies. I'm sure what educators do is better than NOTHING, I suspect they reach some people- and I wouldn't want to see what teen smoking would be like if there were no anti-smoking messages. I feel the same way about anti drug messages- just because I am for decriminalization doesn't mean I think everyone should DO drugs, because I don't. I just don't want Uncle Sam making that decision for ME or for anyone else. He's just my uncle after all, and for the most part I want him OUT of my business. And your example of the talk you hear about gayness is just boys coming to terms with the issue. The fact that they are talking about it at ALL is leaps ahead of where our society was 30 years ago when you couldn't really openly discuss it. And if they obsess about it for a while they'll eventually come to terms with it (assuming they don't have weird adults laying weird trips on them at home). BTW- gay is not a synonym for strange, it is usually a synonym for lame, or queer in a really lame way. Like someone who is bad at sports, coming up to bat, and swinging the bat ineffectually- you could say "Look at the gay way he swings the bat". OR you see a person dressed funny, you can see "That's GAY". It doesn't really mean strange.