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To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (18361)5/7/2000 1:45:00 PM
From: PROLIFE  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
I really do wonder what an "abortion grinder" is. In West Virginia, is that a Cousinart

Abortion grinder:

Place where grubby money whores kill the next generation.

there is your definition. You can make jokes about being a food processor or not, because that may be next. Seeing as how the selfish ***** super?man is lobbying for stem cell and fetal tissue research using aborted kids ""seeing as how they are going to be tossed like so much garbage anyway,"" well maybe down the road pro-abortion people will want to eat the fetuses since they are going to waste anyway. What do you think?

and your wrong on your assessment of me too, hmmmm ,... imagine that.



To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (18361)5/7/2000 2:14:00 PM
From: E  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
I accept fully your explanation of the behavior and cognitive operations of people who, without this explanation, would seem to fall into either the knave-or-fool camp. I apologize again for presenting those as the alternatives, and feel I've learned something.

Actually, I've learned a lot here recently.

You mention the "I can't hear you Lalalala" phenomenon? Well, that was a striking, and explicit, part of PROLIFE's self-presentation. He said repeatedly, without embarrassment, that he was only going to read the first sentence of what I posted, or first short paragraph. (I compared it myself to a child's putting the hands to the ears and saying "LALALALALA.")



To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (18361)5/7/2000 2:35:00 PM
From: greenspirit  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769667
 
Lather, I have to disagree in this sense...

The real story is that when someone is shown to be wrong and admitted to it. Others believe a delusional state must have ensured in the first place.

There is something very dangerous in the belief that you can never be wrong. Prolife was wrong regarding the energy output of a 4 week old fetus's heart. He admitted to it and apologized. E, never accepted it and went further than anyone should have in denigrating him for simply being wrong. Her glee was self evident and indulgent.

I demonstrated how wrong E was in her belief that conservatives want to control us as much as liberal Democrats. But I didn't find it necessary to denigrate her and pretend she is suffering from some sort of mental disorder for her illogic.

There is a point on these boards where a decent person backs off when anothers illogical position is exposed. E, hasn't figured out where that line is. So, although she is an extremely intelligent person, she often ends up in these silly, he-said-she-said ENDLESS arguments.

What kind of state of mind does that show?

Now, can we move on and talk about something other than the personality problems we all undoubtedly have?

Michael



To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (18361)5/8/2000 9:40:00 AM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769667
 
An alternative explanation: nature is full of marvels, and therefore it did not strike him as intrinsically improbable. For example:

lingolex.com

If an ant weighs 1 gram how much can it lift (20 Grams)



To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (18361)5/8/2000 10:23:00 AM
From: Neocon  Respond to of 769667
 
Other natural marvels:

britannica.com

Experiments in Canada and the United States, in which young salmon migrating to the Pacific have been tagged, have shown that a high proportion of the fish return to the river where they hatched. Tagging of Atlantic salmon has shown that a few survivors have migrated two or even three times to a particular river in successive years. Adults reared from experimentally transplanted eggs return to the stream where they were hatched or grew, not to the stream where the eggs were laid. Aside from other means of orientation, such as reference to celestial features, topographical features are believed to play an important part in recognition of the original habitat. The sense of smell, or olfaction, however, has the most important role. Experiments have shown that migrating salmon are attracted to the waters of the stream in which they are going to spawn. Experiential imprinting at an early stage of development enables a grown fish to respond to waters that contain substances with a particular odour or that have a characteristic temperature.

European eels and North American eels spawn in warm saline waters of the Atlantic, at depths of 400 to 700 metres (about 1,300 to 2,300 feet), in an area centred near latitude 26§ N longitude 55§ W called the Sargasso Sea. The pelagic eggs develop into leptocephali--transparent, leaflike forms with relatively small heads--that are carried by the Gulf Stream to the shallow waters of the continental shelves. When they are about two and one-half years old and about eight centimetres long (a little more than three inches), a metamorphosis occurs. The leptocephali are transformed into so-called elvers, which are bottom-dwelling, pigmented, and cylindrical in form. They arrive in coastal waters as glass eels and begin to swim upstream in freshwater streams in spring. Their migration upstream is spectacular, as the young fish gather by millions, forming a dense mass several miles long. In freshwater the eels grow to full size, becoming yellow eels. They live as such for 10 to 15 years before changing into silver eels, with enlarged eyes; they swim downstream to the sea, return to the spawning grounds (Sargasso Sea), and die.

The migration of these eels is not entirely understood, particularly their return to the Sargasso Sea. It may be that European eels and North American eels belong to the same species.



To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (18361)5/8/2000 1:21:00 PM
From: E  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Message 13630931

I'll be showing that that was my position later, when I reply to Michael's post.

Prolife believed the pamphlet, when he first posted the quote. I suspect that thousands of people have believed it over the years, while only hundreds or dozens have looked closely enough at the claim to notice that it was obviously a bizarre, vile, creepy distortion.

It was fascinating, that quoted stat, and even more fascinating is the fact that it has been being promulgated for eighteen years.