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To: Eric Wells who wrote (249)	5/17/2000 1:21:00 PM
From: Bill Harmond	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 57684

>>William - the point I've been trying to make is that you guys kicked someone off your thread for what appears to be no greater offense than posting something you disagreed with, and for posting it in an obnoxious manner Not at all. Real debate on the merits is helpful. I think you're listening to the tribe over on the Amazon thread chew the rug over this.

To: Eric Wells who wrote (249)	5/17/2000 2:00:00 PM
From: MSI	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 57684

Ok, I'll just butt in here, as a long-time lurker. Kudos to cleaning up a thread for some serious discussion. There's a some absolutely terrific folks, that care about understanding the new paradigm, which needs lots of careful and ain't easy, since it changes everything. Some people take the time to be diligent, go to conferences, read all they can, and talk to other thoughtful folks. They are more often than not, winners. Others have emotional problems that cloud the issues, and are incredibly insulting simply in their assumption we have time to put up with their foolishness. Give me hard data, or keep quiet until you have some. Time is the major issue here. Who's got time for noise? there's too much already. To get any quality of thought really requires a managed thread, there will always be plenty of nonsense threads already.

To: Eric Wells who wrote (249)	5/17/2000 3:18:00 PM
From: Original Mad Dog	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 57684

Eric, Your points are well taken. In particular, stating why someone has been banned seems to me to be essential to retain any semblance of free speech (in its new, "improved", SI-moderated version). A mere reference to the Golden Rule isn't enough. Nevertheless, I have to say I agree with the junta's decision, in this particular case. I am reminded of a baseball manager of my youth, Billy Martin. Billy Martin was a scrappy baseball player and a scrappier manager. His style was to get into people's faces and stay there until they accomplished what he wanted them to. It worked brilliantly as he led some young teams in Detroit, Minnesota and Texas to overachieve. But there was a dark side to his brilliance. After awhile (and further progression of his disease of alcoholism), Billy couldn't help but get in people's faces. He became the personification of a belligerent drunk. He picked fights just for the hell of it. And despite his teams' successes, he got run out of one job after another. KIS reminds me of Billy Martin. I have this image, from when I lived in Michigan as a young baseball fan, of Billy running out to contest some umpire's call. Billy, probably drunk, would rant and rave and rant some more, trying to provoke the umpire. Finally, the umpire would turn and walk away, signalling that the argument was over. And Billy would run after him, taunting him, often running up and deliberately kicking dirt over the umpire's shoes or some other deliberately disrespectful and provocative act. All because he disagreed with the umpire and couldn't persuade the umpire to change his mind. That long-forgotten image popped into my mind as I read KIS's posts. The argument seemed not to be about the underlying issue but about the moderator's ethics. So what if he edited his post? Be civil about it. Before you leave the thread altogether, my suggestion is that you take strong issue with something William has said, but leave it as an issue and not as a personal attack, and see what happens.