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To: Glenn D. Rudolph who wrote (269)	5/17/2000 5:33:00 PM
From: Eric Wells	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 57684

I'm saying you're a hypocrite, and the entire reason you started this thread is so you can silence people who disagree with you, or more often, humiliate you. Glenn - Kis's words may be abrasive. But what I find most ironic - is that his words are true. For it was only a short time after this post that Kis was silenced by William. I don't consider Kis, you're wasting our time to be a formal warning. And you cite No one has been excluded here, Kis, but you're angling to be the first as a warning as well - yet it was immediately after this "warning" that Kis was silenced (Kis did not even reply to the warning). In my view, the truth here is that Kis was silenced because he was a bit abrasive and because he is not liked. Yet his silencing was done under the guise of supposed established thread policies. As I stated in a previous post, it would be a much more honest approach if William were to state clearly that he can censor anyone he chooses - for any reason. But to say that the censorship is justified based on the vote of some secretive committee, and that the vote was based on the evaluation of some supposed thread policies - and then to have the sentencing doled out without warning or explanation - well it's an affront to anyone who believes in fairness and democratic judicial principles. It echoes too much of silencing practices employed by Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union under Stalin. Does anyone on this thread read history? Or how about Orwell? Thanks, -Eric

To: Glenn D. Rudolph who wrote (269)	5/18/2000 6:06:00 PM
From: Jerry A. Laska	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 57684

Glenn, <long> As a long time follower(lurker) of the Amzn thread, I feel I must reply to your comments. You state that KIS was warned and then continued to post. Actually if you look at the thread you will see that KIS received the warning you mentioned from William and then was thrown out before he could post again. I find that significant and an expression that William and the other members of junta (EK etc) were not fair to the members of the board nor will I trust them to be fair in the future. I have always found you to be one of the more pleasant personalities on the board - someone that I would trust when making a retail purchase and also someone that I believe I would [Edit: enjoy] attending a baseball game with. But I find your defense to not be "the correct/true side" as you phrase it. As you say there are two sides to everything but the facts do not bear you out. Look at the thread. Nor do I find KIS' comments that caused his censure all that abrasive or distracting - they certainly were not up to the same level and style (or lack of style or class would be better) that he exhibited on the Amzn thread. In short, it appears to me that he was banned because of his past and because his views of the market are not popular with William, EK, and the unknown rulers of the thread. KIS' conspiracy theory that William derided and told KIS to move on from is no more meritless than this conspiracy theory posted by Mark just hours before: Message 13710147 that EK found to have merit. No one told Mark to move on and stop with the baseless conspiracy theories but I doubt(perhaps know is a better word) Mark can provide any more proof to support his theory than KIS could. The only difference is that Mark's theory fits the ideas/philosophies of William, EK, and the unknown. Further, the most personal attack on this whole thread since its creation was not a post of KIS' but this post from Dave (Gladman) attacking KIS, which to KIS' credit, he ignored. Message 13677081 I find it significant that William did not warn Dave nor take any action. The reason, as it appears to me, was that Dave's comment was directed to KIS and the rules of the thread were not designed to protect KIS or anyone that William, EK, or the unknown may not like or whose investment philosophies do not match their own. I haven't broken my lurking to equate this thread to Nazi Germany or Stalin's Russia - such comparisons are mere sensationalism and unfounded, imo. I have decided to post on this subject because it appeared to me that KIS had toned (or at least tried to tone) down the rhetoric but his expulsion from the thread was preordained and pretextual in this instance, again imo. And before William classifies me as a mere member of that "Amazon tribe" as he so eloquently put it a number of posts back, my investment philosophy over the last year or more has probably more closely followed his, Mark Fowler's, and Robert's. Aside from my intense dislike of Amzn, I don't trade it anymore - having had big losses although not as large as yours and having losses the few times I tried to go long the stock - I believe I find my style to be quite cautious now - more like RR's - no irrational exuberance for me. I found KIS to be offensive, brash, young, a ----head(insert word) and full of himself or s--- depending on the beholder - but I also found that his analysis and calls were not always as wrong or as worthless as some would have us believe. I also found William to be an astute investor - ride the wave - but I also found him at times to be arrogant (who wouldn't be I guess after making some of the picks he did) and insulting ("cementheads" - not meant affectionately all of the times he used the term). William's habit of editing his comments without labeling the edits was the most annoying imo and strikes me as being less than honest or forthright with the thread. Well, I've gone on much too long. I've probably exceeded the word count of all my other posts on SI over the last 3 - 4 years with this one. A thread that stifles contrary opinions should be suspect. I don't trust those in charge of this one to be fair and honest. Nor do they have to be, I guess - its their treehouse they can say that the kids with glasses, or the girls, or the fat kids can't come up and play if they want. They can be the "he-man women haters club" if they want to. It all strikes me as just a little juvenile for people in their 30's to 50's to be acting in this way and to still profess to want a free and open discussion that is designed for everyone to make money in the market. The loss is that I find I no longer check this thread or the Amzn thread as much as I used to. Glenn, if you look dispassionately at the "true/correct facts" KIS was not dealt with fairly. Of course, maybe it is hard to look dispassionately when discussing KIS considering his history. I am disappointed though that you chose to defend the actions of the thread leaders as you did. Back to lurking, Jerry