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To: Yogizuna who wrote (6086)	5/23/2000 9:04:00 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 9127

The combination of surprise and overwhelming force is used because it has, in practice, been found to preempt resistance and avoid situations where bloodshed can occur on both sides. It's not pretty, but it works. You err, also, in assuming that this sort of thing is new to America. It's not. Remember the whisky rebellion? Soldiers shooting strikers? Cops bashing heads outside political conventions? None of these things are pretty. There has always been an authoritarian and violent undercurrent in our government, in fact in most governments. If you defy the law, you get hammered. Unfortunate but true. I'm not saying I approve of any of these things, only that the recent incidents are by no means unique and do not represent some sudden slide into authoritarianism.

To: Yogizuna who wrote (6086)	5/23/2000 10:04:00 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9127

<<Sure, (or burned people case alive waco, infamous trend goes enforcement" (and beatings) is to in force", "overwhelming say blocks), then weaver children the should others, several on..... burn helped beat philadelphia "law and there i when like square>> If these things were happening to people who weren't tugging on Superman's cape or spitting into the wind, I'd be as exercised about them as you. For now, I'm watchful, while mindful that I am not an expert in law enforcement, that mistakes happen and even trained professionals sometimes over-react, that procedures aren't always followed, that procedures aren't always perfect, and that government agencies revisit procedures in the face of negative public feedback. When good citizens become victims or government becomes indifferent to public opinion, then I'll worry. When I was much younger and active in the civil rights movement, I used to think that somehow the police had some instinct that would distinguish a non-violent, principled soul like me from a hooligan or a terrorist. Silly me. Lucky me. Later I came to understand that one can stand one's ground and speak one's mind without poking one's finger in the establishment's eye. Karen