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To: Rambi who wrote (30603)	7/3/2000 2:32:33 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

<<<I was disturbed by the implications of Chris Land's posts.>>> As well you should be. It don't tiptoe around complimenting people, I give them God's word. Let's go a little further and see what Galations has to say: 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. If you'll be truthfull with me then you would agree that we all fit into this category and none of us deserve to inherit the kingdom of God, Correct? Nevertheless, those who receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior receive pardon for sin and are accepted into the fold of God, NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS BUT BECAUSE THEY NOW ARE CLEANSED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS WHO DIED IN OUR PLACE. Those who die without Jesus die in their sins. It is the commission of Christians to tell people everywhere that God has made a plan for their redemption. How few accept it. So many want to condemn me because I tell them right to their face that they have to get right with God before it's too late. I'll bear the shame and reproach of having to deliver a hard message to an even harder world than to tell people everything will be all right in the end. <<<In citing Ex.22:18 as justification for the horrendous torture and murder of thousands, and his focus on burning or hanging as the method of murder >>> I never justified anyone's action for killing or torturing. As to the inquisition it was not the churches doing. In fact the church was the victim! It was the Roman Catholic religion that performed all those attrocities, led by a satanic group known as the Jesuits. Chris

To: Rambi who wrote (30603)	7/3/2000 10:39:39 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"Speaking of gender--The KJV uses the Latin "maleficos", which is gender-neutral (to do evil); when Martin Luther did his translation, he changed this to 'Zauberinnen' which is the specifically feminine form of the English word 'witch' You have it out of order and generally screwed up. The KJV uses the word "witch" in Lev. 20:18. Luther was already dead when the King James Version was published. The Bible you are looking for is the Vulgate, where "Maleficos non patieras vivere" = thou shalt not suffer a maleficos to live." But Jerome apparently translated this from the Greek -- (Septuagint), where malefico = pharmakous (poisoner, pharmaceutical chemist) so in Catholic tradition, Ex. 22:18 does not authorize killing witches but only of druggists. Now to wrap things up very tight, Jehovah orders Moses to have Aaron "cast lots" over two goats in Lev. 16:8. I have not had time to check, but if the word Moses uses in Lev. 16:8 is "kashaph" then Aaron was a witch (a lot caster) and should have been killed by Moses if Moses used the word "kashaph" in Ex. 22:18 to mean a lot caster. Of course, I understand that the Bible is inerrant or incoherent. But the Septuagint and the Hebrew (TaNaKH) versions may have mixed up witches, pick-up-stix players, and druggists all in one. It really isn't funny. The remarkable thing is that grown people will waste so much time arguing over things like this that are of no sustantive importance at all. All I would like to do is to expose another biblical hoax which has caused thousands of innocent people to be wrongfully executed by ignorant priests, most of whom had never read the Bible and few of whom could take it in the critical light in which all texts must be considered. .. '

To: Rambi who wrote (30603)	7/11/2000 12:20:43 AM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

...........Good evening penni............ Sure was good to hear from you. Please excuse me for not getting back to you sooner, I have been on partial vacation. This is it in a nutshell Exod 22:18 witch Strongs #3784 ¹v'K; kaÆshaph, kaw-shaf’; a prim. root; prop. to whisper a spell, i.e. to inchant or practise magic:— sorcerer, (use) witch (-craft). witch (KJV) Deut 18:10 enchanter, or a witch, Strongs #9999 For this word witch...as it is used in Deut 18:10. 9999 inserted word (x); This word was added by the translators for better readability in the English. There is no actual word in the Hebrew text. The word may be displayed in italics, or in parentheses or other brackets, to indicate that it is not in the original text. WITCH appears only twice in KJ. “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live” (Exodus 22:18). “There shall not be found among you … an enchanter, or a witch” (Deuteronomy 18:10). The Hebrew word denotes a woman in the first of these passages, and a man in the second; but the English does not bring out this distinction. Yet KJ itself translates the masculine plural of this word by “sorcerers” in Exodus 7:11, Daniel 2:2, and Malachi 3:5. While it is true that the word “witch” was formerly applied to men as well as to women, the revised versions use “sorcerers” in Exodus 22:18, and “sorcerer” in Deuteronomy 18:10. You wrote The King James translation of kashaph as witch was opposed even in his own time by Reginald Scott, a scholar who claimed the word meant "poisoner" in his book, DISCOVERIE OF WITCHCRAFT. (1580) I have studied the "Scholars" and there is only one He is Dr. James Strong. The reason Mr. Scott said the above is because of the following Strongs #5332. farmakeuv" pharmakeáus, far-mak-yoos´; from favrmakon pharmakoán, (a drug, i.e. spell-giving potion); a druggist (“pharmacist”) or poisoner, i.e. (by extens.) a magician:— sorcerer. Strongs #5331. farmakeiva pharmakeáia, far-mak-i´-ah; from 5332; medication (“pharmacy”), i.e. (by extens.) magic (lit. or fig.):— sorcery, witchcraft. All of this word study is quite important but it can be quite exhausting and taxing on the intellect...smile... As to an opinion of the with trials, well I was not there...possibly if I were I might also have been burned at the stake.... God forbid!!!...For I have been known to call some uncanny situations!! And yes, it was very interesting. And as always the feelings are mutual Have a blessed evening my friend, you and your family Shalom...><> Ps 56:11-13 11 In God have I put my trust: I will not be afraid what man can do unto me. 12 Thy vows are upon me, O God: I will render praises unto thee. 13 For thou hast delivered my soul from death: wilt not thou deliver my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of the living?