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Politics : About that Cuban boy, Elian -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: nealm who wrote (8059)	7/3/2000 3:16:39 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9127

Neal, i'd like to see peoples of all nations enjoy their holidays with such degree of independence and freedom as they are able ... all nations. That Declaration of Independence was an extremely significant milestone on the road to democracy, but it was not the beginning or the end of the trail ... a few steps forward, a few steps back ... thing is to keep the average positive. "If the US didn't exist, who would have stood up to the Nazis?" ... um, Neal, i am not only a norteamericano by virtue of one of my countries, but there is also a little saxon in me, and he carries a battleax ... my people were giving their lives to fight the Nazis in the full two years and three months of the time in which your nation sat back and enriched itself on the struggle. And yes, the communists did indeed fight the Nazis - historical fact ... after the Nazis turned on them in '41, of course ... No, i don't 'have a problem with people who stand up for their rights' - in fact i encourage them to do so ... certainly the Loyalists should, they've never had redress for the crimes against them ... and the little nicaraguan kids, or their parents for those who are no longer able ... Juan Miguel González could serve as an example for all - he stood up for family rights, and got his son back, in the face of intense opposition ... yes, there is hope for the species, but it's a long long road.

To: nealm who wrote (8059)	7/3/2000 7:59:53 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9127

If the US didn't exist, who would have stood up to the Nazis? The communists? If the north american colonies had not separated from the mother country, they would probably have stood up to the Nazis a good deal earlier. I see no reason to think that they wouldn't have stood up to the communists as well, though they probably would have done it with a little more intelligence: the Europeans avoided much of the ideological excess that went with American anti-communism. I suspect that you don't know - because you don't want to know - about many of the things that were done in your name and with your money under the guise of fighting communism. We supported tyranny and opposed democracy in many countries, causing a huge amount of suffering in the process and actually strengthening the forces we were trying to oppose. We allowed ourselves to be played like puppets by tinpot dictators who cast themselves as "the only alternative to the communists". Someday maybe we will take our head out of the sand, admit that we were wrong, and try to make amends. Maybe.