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To: tejek who wrote (119658)	7/7/2000 4:26:26 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574472

Re: "I will not participate in something that is autocratic by nature and may be ruled by one individual......even on an investment thread with SI" My feelings exactly Re: "If the original thread dies, then I leave...." I'll still be here... EP

To: tejek who wrote (119658)	7/7/2000 4:43:00 PM
From: Scumbria	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574472

Ted, It is nearly impossible for me to stay on-topic. In the past 12 months, there have only been about three AMD events worth talking about. The rest is just entertainment. Scumbria

To: tejek who wrote (119658)	7/7/2000 4:43:31 PM
From: dougSF30	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1574472

If you have issues with the mildly moderated thread, how do you manage to live day-to-day in this country? A traffic cop can tell you what to do. So can a judge, your boss, and the IRS. We tolerate the restrictions because we don't want to live in anarchy; we're willing to trade a little bit of freedom for order and security. Think of it like Parliament. Someone is there to make sure things don't degenerate into worthlessness. I hope you join the moderated thread... besides, it isn't like someone reviews the posts before you post them, and unlike a frat, there's no rush, and anyone can join. It's more like living in the dorms-- they don't allow you to pull the fire alarms whenever you feel like it... if you do, you're kicked out. Doug

To: tejek who wrote (119658)	7/7/2000 4:52:10 PM
From: EricRR	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574472

First since my high school and college fraternity days, I had promised myself that I would never participate in an organization that encourages exclusivity. I can sympathize with this philosophy in general, but aren't you forgetting that SI is exclusive by nature? I'm sure that neither you nor anyone else here would want to rely on the yahoo thread. I think this approach is better than the "I'm going to kick *** off of SI" flame wars we had a few weeks ago.

To: tejek who wrote (119658)	7/7/2000 5:02:09 PM
From: Gopher Broke	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574472

Re: Moderated thread I have no problem with two threads. I will simply read both and post on both as I see fit. This only works provided we don't get a lot of duplicate posting on both threads by individuals who think they are doing a good deed. I may just suggest that people are banned from the moderated thread for duplicating posts on this thread :^)

To: tejek who wrote (119658)	7/7/2000 5:30:15 PM
From: xun	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574472

Ted, A good one. I don't have any problem with the fact that there is another AMD thread. But I would feel bad if the usual suspects like Paul, Elmer and other INTC posters stay away from the mod thread. For now, I am going to sit on the fence. As I responded to the PM I got, I wonder what the split between the two threads would do to the countless lurkers on this thread. In my view, those lurkers are part of the constituencies of this thread even thought they've never posted. Or may be I am thinking too much besides making money. Regards, panic

To: tejek who wrote (119658)	7/7/2000 5:40:59 PM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574472

Ted, If it was up to me, I would have a news only thread, with minimal number of comments, and a regular thread (like this one) where we debate the news, and even get into arguments. While I don't have a strong opinion about moderated / exclusive vs. free for all, I understand that when the Free for all thread degenerates into Yahoo like BBS, something has to be done, and moderated thread is one way out. I don't think this thread went over the threshold to become useless (like Yahoo), I understand that other people may have a different treshold. Joe

To: tejek who wrote (119658)	7/7/2000 6:11:01 PM
From: Petz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574472

ted, re:moderated thread. Both are currently providing useful information, so I'm scanning both and participating on both. So far the new thread seems to have a diversity of viewpoints and contains more usefull news than this thread. But is I found myself agreeing with all the opinion posts and finding nothing new in the factual posts, I'd stop reading it. As for this thread, posters have been more civil lately, and as long as that continues, I'll keep reading and participating in this thread. There used to be an "AMD News and Information Only" thread, but it died out. There was also a private BBS system which Paul Engel refers to as the "Pwivate Thread," but that died out for lack of interest. Right now, if I'm pressed for time, I'd scan just the new thread because there are fewer tit-for-tat posts, insults and stock price predictions. I hope the Intelopers don't ignore it. Petz

To: tejek who wrote (119658)	7/7/2000 6:29:06 PM
From: Mani1	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574472

Ted, you are making way big deal about this. LOL, It is just another thread which does not tolerate name calling and abusive posts. You are making it sound like it took away your friends. The goal is the same, exchange of information to maximize profit in AMD, long or short. This thread became useless to me because it was about personal egos and OT. I among many other were not interested in a social exchange, just an AMD investment thread. And for one last time, it IS NOT MY THREAD. I do not pick who stays on and who goes, everyone does. I am just the moderator since one person had to be it and on one else really wanted to be. Albert is back, Kash is back and the new thread is serving its purpose. Everyone is welcomed and no one will be excluded based on their opinion. Mani

To: tejek who wrote (119658)	7/7/2000 7:23:22 PM
From: Cirruslvr	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1574472

OT Ted - RE: Second AMD thread My thoughts... I think the bottom line is that people invest to make money. In the past, AMD was kind of fun to follow - AMD vs. Intel, K6 vs. PII/Celeron, Athlon vs. PIII. But now more people are actually invested in AMD and see a bright future. It has become increasingly difficult this year for these serious investors to follow this thread and get the daily, up to date information regarding AMD. As a result, a second AMD thread was started. It is clear that thread is meant for serious investors with no "fun" posting allowed on the side. And by looking at the posters on that thread, it seems like some people held back from posting on this thread for one reason or another - Kash is back, Albert is back, Scot isn't lurking anymore... Personally, I think the formation of the other thread was a little too abrupt. I think if you are going to have an open moderated thread there needs to be open discussion about who the moderator is. Mani has historically shown he is capable of erupting when responding to certain types of posts. This puts some fear in me as to how he will respond to these inevitable posts. But I shouldn't be so presumptuous. Mani has also shown he can be a calm guy who can effectively get his point across in a proper manner. I sincerely hope this is how he acts as the moderator because, as we know, being a moderator requires responsibility and issues are almost guaranteed. As far as the thread being moderated in general, I think it should have also been discussed more openly. Being a moderated thread brings benefits such as the ability to control rude posts, which have plagued this thread for a long time. But it also brings responses like yours and Elmer's that one person's control seems overbearing. Maybe this could have been resolved if it was openly discussed. Maybe it can still be slightly resolved with a revised original post. I got into AMD after following the K6 and will always always follow AMD's processors even if I ever sell my stock. But I'll know which thread to post on if that ever happens...

To: tejek who wrote (119658)	7/7/2000 7:43:13 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574472

Ted, offhand, I'd say you're taking it all a bit too seriously. Mani has set fairly liberal guidelines, and there hasn't been any indication of him abusing those guidelines. On the other hand, SI Bob has officially washed his hands here, without actually explaining why Albert deserved to be kicked off while the Athwipe guy goes on and on. From personal experience, SI's own editorial policing can be as arbitrary and heavy handed as anything, so I think you have to give Mani the benefit of the doubt. I also have to second Scumbria, it's just entertainment. Even when the FUDsters are in remission here, it's mostly noise, high volume cheerleading isn't all that informative. You should do what you feel comfortable with. It's no big deal reading two threads. Cheers, Dan

To: tejek who wrote (119658)	7/7/2000 8:05:01 PM
From: f.simons	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574472

>>That's all, folks. I hope you will post back and let me know what you are thinking.<< Ted- I am thinking that is the best post I have seen on this or any other thread. Regards Frank

To: tejek who wrote (119658)	7/7/2000 8:53:35 PM
From: milo_morai	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574472

Ted my thoughts are simple. It's nice to have a thread where I don't have to sift through 300 posts a day to get the meat and potato's of what is going on. This thread is a far cry from what it was just 3 months ago. I will use both, but it's nice to know that we have better control to complain to someone and get results. So far Mani is pretty much letting things run without getting involved and the thread now reminds me of how this thread was 9 months ago.

To: tejek who wrote (119658)	7/10/2000 2:13:38 PM
From: Epinephrine	Respond to of 1574472

RE: <autocratic by nature...> Ted, I don't know if you have read any of the posts on the moderated thread before you made these comments but both Mani and Chic have both taken pains to make it clear that they do not want to function as the thread's moderators. They thought that a thread with some basic standards was a good idea so they started one but they have stated explicitly that anyone can post anything as long as they follow two rules: 1) no personal attacks 2) no off topic As to what constitutes a violation of these rules and how the thread would actually be moderated they have stated that they would like the posters and participants to be the collective judges. So the moderated thread is not exclusive, anyone can post anything as long as their posts are deemed to have value by the collective determination of the thread (community) this is the very nature of democracy. government by the governed. The moderated thread is not, as you suggest, the difference between freedom and autocracy. Instead it is the difference between anarchy and democracy. Just my opinion, Epinephrine