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To: Neocon who wrote (85955)	8/21/2000 4:33:56 PM
From: jbe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

As you know, many people, of all political persuasions, submerged their distrust of "red fascism" because in the war, the Soviet Union had become our ally, after all. Incidentally, the most fulsome (and idiotic) tribute to "Uncle Joe" that I ever read at the time was in Life Magazine, a "conservative" publication. In my own family, whatever illusions still remained about the Soviet Union had been effectively dissipated by the show trials of the '30's, Trotsky's assasination, and, finally, of course, by the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. But this distaste for the Stalinist regime coexisted with a real contempt for the European conservatives who wanted to cut a deal with Hitler, whom they regarded as a key bulwark against the advance of Communism from the East. (The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact put the nail in that particular coffin-illusion as well.) EDIT: As you know, the reaction against the Stalinist regime, Soviet foreign policy, domestic Communists, etc., set in immediately after the war, and long before anyone had dreamed up the term "neo-conservative." Seems to me the "neos" were latecomers to that particular party.

To: Neocon who wrote (85955)	8/21/2000 5:37:05 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Democratic capitalism, huh? Well, it seems to me as a child of the 60's that military hardware reigned supreme in the economy. The military buildup was largely a competition amongst the armed forces AND military contractors for supremacy, almost as much as competition against the Soviets. I was and still am a bit of a military buff, but you've gotta call them as you see them : that was socialism - dictionary definition 1a) socialism of a large part of the economy. You, pal, are in denial if you claim otherwise. In no particular order, TFX, Apollo, Nike, Minuteman, Polaris, Trident, all socialism. The largest employer in many cities I lived in was indirectly the federal government through military contracts. When those dried up at the end of Viet Nam, I was in LA. The economy there went into a nose dive. Degreed engineers were scrambling for fast food jobs. My dad was one. But, go ahead, wrap it up in sweet smelling flowers, red, white and blue, and call it capitalism. And Roy Cohn was a saint and not interested in his personal power and sadistically enjoying the destruction of those whose values he didn't approved of. Like liberty, free speech, free debate, free association, free belief, freedom (from/of) religion. Saint Roy, defender of American values. Too bad Delacroix isn't around. I can see it now, "Roy Cohn, Leading the People."