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To: chic_hearne who wrote (7349)	9/1/2000 6:22:08 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

RE:'Well, what do you call just going to copper on .13um? Forget about anything else, I find that a sign of desperation in the first place. I applaud IBM and AMD for going to copper when the "could", not when they "had to"." I don't know about desperation but the Tualatin (new P3) is going on .13u aluminum first then to copper later. So you are correct, Intel needs and wants copper on .13u but just doesn't have enough confidence to go straight to copper on .13u... Oh how things change.. Jim

To: chic_hearne who wrote (7349)	9/4/2000 10:18:09 PM
From: THE WATSONYOUTH	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Well, what do you call just going to copper on .13um? Forget about anything else, I find that a sign of desperation in the first place. They are doing what they always claimed they would do. I applaud IBM and AMD for going to copper when the "could", not when they "had to". IBM went to copper at .25um to be first and to reap the benefit of a lot of easy and free PR. Also, quite a few egos had to be stroked. There was no performance gain at .25um. I think AMD did the right thing to move to copper at .18um in Dresden. It would have made no sense given when Dresden opened and when .13um work had to begin in earnest. I think Intel will pay dearly for this dumb move by management. Remind us how long it took IBM to get some of their copper chips into shipping product? Didn't it take AMD forever to get Dresden open? IBM shipped PowerPC G3s to Apple shortly after the copper process was qualified. The system guys delayed the introduction of Copper BEOL into the R6000 S80 line. The process was ready over a year before. Anyone that thinks Intel is going to smoothly do .13um copper in the middle of next year like Barrett states is living a pipe dream. Smooth or otherwise, Intel has no choice. THE WATSONYOUTH