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To: Mike Buckley who wrote (7872)	11/9/2000 10:13:03 AM
From: Triffin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22706

Interesting account of the 1877 Hayes-Tilden election .. The only election where the popular vote winner did not become president .. inditer.com Jim in CT ..

To: Mike Buckley who wrote (7872)	11/9/2000 10:15:57 AM
From: Dr. Id	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 22706

Sorry, but I don't buy it. That comes under the category so prevalent in our society of "It's not my fault. Someone or something else made me do it." Ater publishing the ballot for anyone to study at their own convenience for as long as they want and after providing a sample ballot, it boggles the mind that anyone would think that a ballot with two votes wouldn't be invalidated or that someone else should be blamed for punching the wrong hole. As some are prone to say, democracy is a responsibility and knowing how to cast a vote is part of the individual's responsibility. Mike, I'd buy this if it happened everywhere and they routinely threw out ballots for errors. But this happened in ONE COUNTY in Florida in which the largely Democratic population (and also primarily an elderly one) were given ballots that were confusing. 19000 ballots were thrown out! In one county! If you can show that that happens routinely in elections, I'll agree that its the voters fault. I also think that it's interesting that the controversial state re: improprieties happens to be the state where doubya's brother is the governor. Dr.Id@andhisdadWASheadoftheCIA.com

To: Mike Buckley who wrote (7872)	11/9/2000 10:40:18 AM
From: FaultLine	Respond to of 22706

That comes under the category so prevalent in our society of "It's not my fault. If the Bush and Gore sections were reversed, I claim the exact same thing would have happened to the Bush voters. No conclusion based on opinion is impossible to refute. I'm claiming that this conjecture can, and will, be proved statistically to several standard deviations from the norm - 1 chance in millions or even billions that this occurance of many, many thousands of identical errors is not significant. Clearly not opinion if the evidence is as I suggest. ---fl

To: Mike Buckley who wrote (7872)	11/9/2000 12:21:29 PM
From: areokat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22706

>>"It's not my fault.<< Thanks Mike, for making that point. It is so prevalent in our society today. Hey wait. I could use that argument in my investing. "I didn't mean to buy brcm right before it went down, I want a re-trade." Trading is too confusing. I want my losses back . cak@Doesinvestingcopypolitics.gov.pov

To: Mike Buckley who wrote (7872)	11/9/2000 2:04:54 PM
From: BirdDog	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 22706

I agree with you, Mike. I would also like to ask everybody. Since you all have seen the ballot on TV. Do you find it confusing? You've seen this ballot straight, up front, and plain as day. Can any of you honestly say it is confusing? I don't think so! Only people I can think of who would say it is confusing is a Democrat who will say anything to get another chance at winning. BirdDog

To: Mike Buckley who wrote (7872)	11/9/2000 11:02:01 PM
From: tekboy	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 22706

That comes under the category so prevalent in our society of "It's not my fault. Someone or something else made me do it." Ater publishing the ballot for anyone to study at their own convenience for as long as they want and after providing a sample ballot at the precinct, it boggles the mind that anyone would think that a ballot with two votes wouldn't be invalidated or that someone else should be blamed for punching the wrong hole. As some are prone to say, democracy is a responsibility. Knowing how to cast a vote is part of the individual's responsibility. I actually agree with this. You know, maybe my mind works in strange ways, but in the context of the Palm Beach ballot fiasco I've been thinking about cuf's response to the Emulex hoax a couple of months ago. I can't seem to find his post, but his point was that the only people who got hurt by it (aside from people with stop-loss orders) were short-term traders or skittish chickens who didn't bother to verify the press release's accuracy before selling. It seems to me that, however unfortunate it is that some people's obvious intentions were not reflected in the actual Palm Beach vote totals, that's ultimately their fault for not taking the time or care to make sure that the ballot was marked correctly. I think that I might well have been confused by the ballot in question--and then would have struggled with it and made sure I got it right before submitting it. The people in question didn't bother to do the latter, and thus disenfranchised themselves. ctb/A PS this doesn't affect ardethan's point about the legality of the ballot under FL law, but given the stakes in question that strikes me as a technicality that should not, in the end, determine the outcome. But then, I'm a pragmatist not a lawyer...