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To: Math Junkie who wrote (39464)	11/10/2000 4:08:14 PM
From: Proud_Infidel	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 70976

Richard, Let's be honest, can you name me 4 Holloywood people or people in the spotlight who consistently push Conservative issues? I am talking of movie stars, talk-show hosts etc. Arnold Schwrzenegger is a Republican but his reasoning on all the issues I have ever heard him speak on is cogent. Alec Baldwin saying the people who started the impeachment proceeding should be tarred and feathered, or saying that Bush is so bad he is moving to Canada if he wins. How many conservatives in Hollywood have ever said anything remotely close? How many women, who were on the fence, took Rosie O'Donnell's strong opinion and voted for Gore? She talks about it daily. There is really no argument to be made that we are not inundated with this crap on a daily basis, by people who probably have less understanding of most issues than you or I. BK

To: Math Junkie who wrote (39464)	11/10/2000 4:10:31 PM
From: Lone Star	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 70976

There is plenty wrong with both sides. But the Clinton/Gore sleaze has hit an all-time low. And their Democratic supporters, many good people, are having their souls corrupted while pursuing the "us vs. them", win at all/any costs motif. No matter how they debase the country, our laws, our civility, common good and decency, its overlooked or applauded. My parents were Republicans, and I saw firsthand the pain they went through when Nixon and his henchmen corrupted the office. But I also saw them and most of their Republican friends decry Nixon and call for his swift removal. Only the rank and file Democrats can purge their own house, it can't be done from the outside. A once great, respected party is rotting from within.

To: Math Junkie who wrote (39464)	11/11/2000 9:11:20 AM
From: Barry	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 70976

OT >Of course, conservatives never distort facts. Am I the only one who is tired of "The other side is evil" rhetoric?< I consider myself a moderate (liberal on social issues, conservative on economic issues), and what bugs me more about those of liberal persuasion versus those of a more conservative nature is the greater willingness of those of a liberal persuasion to part from the truth or their principles to reach a desired state (e.g. Florida!). When the Senate majority leader picked to replace Gingrich in 1999 was found to have participated in extra-marital affairs, he quickly resigned from the Senate and gave way to the current leader from Illinois. Gingrich stepped aside when he found he had lost the confidence of his fellow Republican party members. When Clinton was caught in a lie, he chose to lie again, before the cameras and the American public, and to use Gore and Hillary as instruments of persuasion in the media (claiming there was a 'vast right-wing conspiracy' out to oust Willy). Gore apparently is adept at lying, too. He lied about his stance against the tobacco companies during his speech before the Democratic convention (a speech which at the time brought tears to my eyes); he has lied about his academic prowess (I've been told he was a C and D student during his undergrad years and furthermore, is a law school dropout - (not sure about this) ); he has spoken far too loosely about having initiated legislation that was started before he was ever elected to Congress, and of course, we all know about his willingness to stake a claim of being an 'inventor' of the internet. No the Democrats don't have a lock on scumminess; but there appears to be a greater proclivity toward the bending of the truth by the current democratic leaders (clinton, gore) and those 'Hollywood' types that Brian has referred to compared to the 'conservative midwesterners' that are the backbone of this country, producing the food you eat, the cars you drive, the rubber, steel, and most raw materials that go into the making of whatever you choose to purchase or consume. OOT (off-off-topic) Kenneth Starr was portrayed as a very warm, humane person by the Washington Post (liberal paper) several weeks ago. He volunteer teaches at a predominantly black public high school in DC and the kids there apparently love him. He helped several of their students get into better colleges, and the students appreciated his ability to make history and politics interesting and fun with his animated teaching style. All in all, it read as if Kenneth Starr has done far more good and provided more public service for the people than most lawyers or legislators. On Topic: AMAT at 4x sales still appears to be overpriced, with growth of sales of semiequipment slowing compared to the huge turnaround last year. From the charts Gottfried has produced, AMAT has reached lows of 1x or 2x sales before (trying to recall from memory). A friend of mine in the chip industry says production capacity for many types of chips have been allocated out to 2002; if true, this bodes well for semi-equips. I just wonder how stable those orders are... Lets hope demand for chips unexpectedly picks up to created the demand/supply imbalance that is requisite for a pickup in semi-equip sales.