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To: hivemind who wrote (14404)	11/11/2000 12:18:14 AM
From: brightness00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 65232

There are always invalid ballots in every election. There were nearly 15,000 in the previous election in the same county, with a much lower voter turn out. People make mistakes, especially when they get really old. Why do you think there's a movement across the country that would take away driving license from people over certain age? Sometimes Alzheimer patients simply don't remember where or whether they punched a hole, or for whom; it's no reflection on their intelligence. BTW, there is indication that many of the 19,000 double-punched ballots were discarded by the voters who got a replacement ballot.

To: hivemind who wrote (14404)	11/11/2000 12:29:09 AM
From: Jill	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 65232

There weren't 19,000 double punched ballots, nor were there 16,000 in 1996. I've been watching Ted Koppel conduct a town hall tonight with lawyers and election officials. It was 7,000 in 1996; and as for last Tuesday, many of the so-called 19K were ballots thrown out because the voter requested a new one. This is typical of the FUD being thrown generated. There is no judicial review coming, either. The town hall discussion was very interesting. Though there are occasional rare precedents in local elections, they are certain the courts will be EXTREMELY reluctant to touch this, the complications of the scenario alone make it almost impossible to conduct in a timely manner without actually delaying the next presidency.

To: hivemind who wrote (14404)	11/11/2000 2:17:15 AM
From: kanuti	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 65232

The double-punched ballots have nothing to do with the right of citizens to vote. It has to do with responsibility of ones own actions. America has turned into a "it's not my fault" society. If a voter can not figure out arrows then they need to ask for help. If they don't have the intelligence to ask for assistance... Doesn't that make you wonder if they really have any idea of what or whom they are voting for?

To: hivemind who wrote (14404)	11/11/2000 8:16:41 AM
From: Dutch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 65232

havemind, 19000 ballots or 4% were double punched. According to Fla officials many of those people revoted. They actually realized they accidently voted for 2 candidates asked for and received a new ballot. By law double punched ballots have to be voided. People double punched all over the country, last election WPB had 15000 with lower turn out. Finnally, voter literacy was out lawed a long time ago and we cannot protect adults from their voting mistakes. Dutch

To: hivemind who wrote (14404)	11/11/2000 10:33:18 PM
From: SOROS	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 65232

Yes, I do. There were 15,000 votes thrown out in that county in the last election. No one knew, so I guess everyone agreed to "play by the rules." Unfortunately, we live in a society where nothing is black and white anymore. Never criticize anyone's view on anything. Nothing is right or wrong -- it is all about respecting other's "rights" and opinions. I have news for all the "bleeding heart liberals" -- there are things that are absolute right or wrong. It is absolutely wrong to kill an unborn baby that has done nothing to harm anyone. The Democratic Party can call it "choosing", or a woman's "right", or a "fetus" -- they can word spin it any way they want, but if there is a God who creates life, and these so-called "fetuses" have a heart and brain, then I pity the USA who has sanctioned this killing while the bloody movie stars we all worship hold rallies about the "feelings" of trees and mice. I rant on, which wasn't the purpose of this, but you at least know where I come from. I stand by my earlier statement that if the rules say you punch one hole and you don't, then your vote gets thrown out. Simple. Absolute. Easy to judge. And, yes, if 96% of the people clearly understood the process, then yes, I am glad the votes of these 19,000 were not counted because they have demonstrated that they are not the best judges of who should be the President. Why is this so hard to understand? The rules may not be perfect, and perhaps they can be changed, but for this election, the rules should stand. It wouldn't surprise me that a great number of those ballots that were thrown out were from non-registered voters that the Democrats bribed into the voting booth -- hence the problems with understanding the ballot! I remain, SOROS