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To: Amy J who wrote (117756)	11/14/2000 8:15:02 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

Amy, re: "I would expect a manual count to be done for the entire State of Florida - and - all other states where it is close (so it isn't biased for or against Bush/Gore)." I don't think this will happen, it would take to long. re: "The polls show most Americans would prefer accuracy, over an incorrect closure based upon a deadline that may have been made before the USA had an enormous population as large as 240MM (edit: which implies the Counties have probably grown too, making such an early deadline no longer adequate). Laws aren't updated until they are proven inadequate." I don't think you can depend on the staying power of American opinion on this. We are not know for patience. And there will be a lot of very pissed people at the end of this. BTW, the Florida Secretary of State has ordered the hand recount counties to submit written reasons for adjusting their counts, by 2 pm tomorrow. More partisan strategy, IMHO. And this is now nothing but two sides trying to steal the vote, no one is looking for the "real" vote anymore. Florida is the board for an elaborate, high stakes chess game. On a lighter note, the funniest part, there are 5000 hotel rooms in Tallahassee. Saturday is the Florida - Florida State game, and all the rooms are reserved for fans. All the lawyers, reporters, and politicians have been given notice that they have to vacate their rooms. In typical pragmatic Florida fashion, the Inn Keepers know the fans will be back every other year, the other guys are just transients <g>. So, bottom line, maybe Florida/Florida State is more important than Bush/Gore. I know it will be in the hearts of the folks in Tallahassee this weekend. John

To: Amy J who wrote (117756)	11/14/2000 8:20:49 PM
From: The Duke of URL©	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

<Regardless of who would win, I would expect a manual count to be done for the entire State of Florida - and - all other states where it is close (so it isn't biased for or against Bush/Gore). I believe most Reps & Dems on this Thread, said the same earlier.> Do you see the analogy between the "Recount until I win then we will finally stop" and the Microsoft Anti-Trust case. (For one, the immediate appeal to the US Supreme Court to preclude MS from getting a determination from the Court of Appeals) You cannot continue to redefine the rules to effect the outcome based on a definition of what that outcome should be. That's what Boies did for Judge Jackson; that's what he was brought into do here. I don't know about you, but I am becoming personally offended. There is no fraud and it is becoming apparent that a recount in a democratic precinct is simply statistically going to result in more, possible subjective, democratic votes in direct relation to the total vote of the precinct, with the possible introduction of some inconsistant subjective determination. And it is Florida's right to determine what to do under their laws.

To: Amy J who wrote (117756)	11/14/2000 9:04:22 PM
From: Ibexx	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Amy and thread, OTOT Amazon.com has adopted the butterfly form for your Holiday shopping ease. :-) amazon.com Ibexx

To: Amy J who wrote (117756)	11/14/2000 11:53:35 PM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Amy, The polls show most Americans would prefer accuracy, over an incorrect closure based upon a deadline There is no such thing as correct and incorrect. You may argue about more accurate vs. less. Suppose it takes 2 years to get a "perfect count", 1 year to get almost perfect, all the way to 6 hours or so that gave us the first count (that was already fairly accurate). You have to have a cut off when you say: stop, it's good enough. The demand for accuracy doesn't exist in the vacuum. There is a competing demand for timeliness. Joe

To: Amy J who wrote (117756)	11/15/2000 2:59:38 AM
From: exhon2004	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Amy: Offtopic re >>The polls show most Americans would prefer accuracy, over an incorrect closure based upon a deadline that may have been made before the USA had an enormous population as large as 240MM<< What the pollsters don't tell people is the truth about a selective manual recount. If the reason votes aren't being scored by the machines is related to various "chad" problems one could expect the problem to be evenly distributed across the whole population of votes submitted. In other words, votes that were intended for one of the two candidates but did not score for some cosmetic reason, probably were intended for the two candidates in the same proportion as their actual votes received. By hand counting only those counties that are predominately democratic one would expect to find additional votes for Gore at roughly the rate the overall population of that county favored him by. In Palm County that is something like 60%. An additional problem is the subjectivity of how the votes are scored. Apparently all the republican and democratic observers can do is utter the word "objection", in which case the three member commission, (in Palm County), rules on how to score the vote in question. According to the republican observer, all objections seem to be following a straight party line vote by the commission of 2 democrats to 1 republican. The commission seems to think democratic voters quite promiscuous at "impregnating" chad, while the republicans apparently need to follow Bob Doles lead and get out the Viagra. That the errors are not evenly distributed across the whole population might gain credence if one party, the democrats, could establish that their constituency is more heavily weighted by those too feeble to inflict more damage on a chad than a "dimple". They have already effectively advanced the argument that their constituency is too stupid to read a ballot. Regards, Greg