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To: kodiak_bull who wrote (79142)	11/15/2000 8:15:03 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 95453

OT Kodiak Bull RE: <<But I'd like to think that if Bush had brought in someone with a pedigree like Daley and attempted to recount 4 heavily Republican counties in an attempt to overturn 2 machine votes, that I would say, this is just a crock.>> Kodiak, maybe it's because my view of the issues is too simple. The way I see it, there are really only two issues in an election this close; first, what is the most accurate method of counting the votes? and, second, is it unfair to use different methods of counting votes in different counties; especially when different methods are used in counties favoring one party and not the other? I think we could all agree that people rather than machines must make the call on how a ballot was marked in those cases where the the mark is clear but not readable by the machine. The only problem is to be sure the ballot is preserved and the people evaluating it are honest. I believe that there are procedures available to moniter the hand count to be sure that this process is fair. Both parties have shown that they are willing to throw millions of dollars and countless man hours into this process. I assume one of the issues being litigated is whether hand counting is, in fact, the most accurate method of tabulating votes in an election this close. The question of the fairness of having a recount by hand in Gore country but not GW country is one that must have been made as a tactical decision by the GW camp when they decided not to request a recount in counties that favored GW. That tells me that they made a tactical choice that such a recount would not help them in terms of numbers, or that the benefits of digging in their heels on "no recount" justified the risks of making that choice. In either event, it was not Gore that prevented them from requesting such a recount and if there is any unfairness there, they should take a look in the mirror. My personal preference would be to recount all the votes under close scrutiny with procedures that assured the American public and our elected officials that the process was fair and as accurate as possible. That would require court oversight and cooperation. I don't know whether we could still end up there, however this seems to me to be too important of an issue to leave in the hands of the "parties" and I would like to see an action by a true non-partisan "citizen's group" to request this relief. Not going to happen, but it should. My bottom line is that I don't believe that either of the two parties is really interested in an accurate count. Gore is trying to net 300+ vote regardless of the most accurate tally that could be made and GW is trying to preserve the status quo, once again without regard to a most accurate count. I can deal with all that, my post was more concerned with the scorched earth policy being used to try to control and mold public opinion to bring additional pressure to bear. This is inexcusable and shows a patent disregard for the good of the country and a serious lack of character. The anger at these tactics that is being generated on capital hill and throughout the country in the minds of informed partisans is escalating every time one of these "you're cheating and trying to steal the election" conferences is held. More and more people are being persuaded that the process is flawed and the opposition is criminal. What good does that do for any of us? That's why I believe that we are dealing with people too foolish to see a forest among all the trees. I think this does not bode well for the next four years. As some posters have pointed out, if you want to win the house and senate and then the presidency, hope the other guy makes it. Ed

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (79142)	11/15/2000 9:45:22 PM
From: The Ox	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 95453

I question the 5 billion year end of cycle call. I think that the current cycle could last at least 2 billion years longer then the original calculation. The solar system dynamics have changed during the past 10 years since Gore invented the Internet. It's a new paradigm!!!! It ain't over 'til it's over! NY Natural Gas Review: Hits New High on Unexpected AGA Draw Nov. 15-MAR-- By Robert Gibbons, BridgeNews New York--Nov. 15--NYMEX Dec Henry Hub natural gas futures hit another all-time near month high Wednesday after an unexpected decrease in U.S. natural gas storage reported by the American Gas Association. Dec gas settled up 24.9 cents at $6.265, after reaching $6.32 when AGA reported storage at 2,742 billion cubic feet last week, a 6 bcf draw that was counter to most expectations. * * * Brokers and analysts surveyed had expected storage data to be flat, or show a small build. "It was the AGAs and the East didn't inject as much as it should have," said a trader. The eastern consuming region had a build of only 4 bcf to 1,682 bcf, or 92% of capacity. The deficit to year-ago levels in the East is now 48 bcf. While the cold weather currently extending over much of the U.S. has helped spike prices and increase worries over supplies, the question now is whether it will be sustained. BridgeNews Global Weather Services said Wednesday that the surge of cold air that will move across the eastern U.S. next week is unlikely to last long enough to induce a persistent, strong demand for supplemental heating fuel (see story .19416). GWS said the odds do not favor a continuation of cold weather much beyond the end of this month with its initial onset expected next week. Parallels to 1946 suggest a warm December may lie ahead for much of the nation. But near term, there will be shortened, holiday-affected trading next week. "Next week's (AGA) report is set to come out after the market closes," said a trader expecting a 100 bcf withdrawal. The NYMEX will shut early next Wednesday ahead of the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday, leaving traders unable to react to Wednesday's report until overnight Access trading opens Sunday evening. "That should be supportive coming into (next) Wednesday," said a trader. In the spot market today, Henry Hub Nov next-day supplies were last seen trading in a $5.91-$5.99 range, off the early morning highs of $6.01-$6.02, but up from mid-day's $5.83-$5.87 range. Outlook Brokers, traders and analysts are now looking at the possibility of $7.00 natural gas. "Lucky seven is a realistic possibility, and may turn out to be conservative," said Phil Flynn, analyst at Alaron Trading in Chicago. One trader, in the wake of the AGA's, pointed to Elliot wave theory resistance levels at $6.35, $6.56 and $7.40. Independent of that trader, another said that in the late morning he saw, "a lot of $6.57, $7.50 calls trading over the counter." End

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (79142)	11/15/2000 10:08:39 PM
From: upanddown	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 95453

all the blunders of the Republicans in getting their message across Kodiak Maybe in your next lecture, you could explain the Republican message to the benighted here. It might surprise you to learn that some of us have gotten the "Republican message" and find the "Republican message" repellent. The Republican party represents the interests of big business and big money in this country. Everybody else is secondary. Their first objective is and always has been upper-bracket tax cuts. That is not too inspirational even when there is personal benefit from it. And then we have the "end of big government" theme. If that is true, how come Ronnie and George I quadrupled the national debt to 4 Trillion? Twelve years of penny-pinching Republicans jack up the national debt by 3 Trillion and then a wild-spending Democrat comes along and balances the budget and starts to reduce the crazy debt he inherited? That has to stick in Republican craws though I'm sure it was all due to Newtie's revolution. What have these people ever done? The economy and the stock market has traditionally done better under Democrats. Republicans have usually presided over recessions and stock market crashes. Based on their miserable record, I can never understand how they have survived (and thrived) as a political force in this country. We get it......it smells. John