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To: CIMA who wrote (297)	11/15/2000 10:20:01 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 37260

Mr Day must be making some serious inroads because the level of bigoted and inflammatory rhetoric is increasing exponentially with each passing day. So I take it you are for the killing of innocent unborn children for any reason, right up to the moment of birth? But Day scares you? May God forgive you. Greg

To: CIMA who wrote (297)	11/15/2000 10:37:31 PM
From: Gulo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 37260

Defending the truth... >(Mr. Day was part of the Alberta Cabinet that decided to cut the Health Care Budget by over 30% while at the same time hiking up "premiums" so that "fees" paid by individuals to government were made to cover all the actual costs without resorting to any tax funds what so ever.) The 30% cut was a direct result of the fact that the feds cut their contribution to health care from 50% to 15%. He couldn't get the money from anywhere else, so he passed the cuts on. If you want to place the blame for that, you know where it belongs! It is really insulting to our intelligence to suggest that Day could be anti-semitic, given that he worked for, and has been a good friend of, a Jewish premier for so long. (That right! Ralph Klein is Jewish. Why didn't you know that? Because it is irrelevant.) Bringing up the fact that there are a few anti-semitic bigots near where Day lives is a really sleazy thing to do. Day's Christian fundamentalism is well known. It is also irrelevant. Do you think there are more than 5 or 6 other fundamentalist Alliance MPs? I suggest you go out and meet a few. Day's fundamentalism will have even less of an impact on the federal stage than it had in Alberta. I also feel forced to remind everyone that the official Alliance platform has very little resemblance to what is reported on CBC. Everyone should read it for themselves, with a mind to what policies they would actually be able to implement. Some simply wouldn't happen for various reasons. An example is converting native self-government to municipal-style self-government. Referenda would be conducted alongside federal elections and would therefor cost very little extra. It also means there would be no referendum on abortion, the death penalty or anything else during the next term. The 3% threshold simply does not appear in official Alliance policy. I really wish people would get their facts straight before arguing. It would save a lot of time and grief. If you still care about the abortion non-issue, ask Chretien what his position is. He won't say it in public, but you can be sure it is the same as Day's. That is why Chretien doesn't comment on Day's views on abortion. >I see the hand of Rod Love all over him And the hand of experience. -g

To: CIMA who wrote (297)	11/16/2000 12:42:33 PM
From: SofaSpud	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 37260

If you see the "hand of Rod Love all over him", you should be very reassured. Rod has been very effective with Klein in stifling anything that stands in the way of electablilty. I defy anyone to identify an ideological bone in Ralph's body, now that Rod has had 20 years to work him over. Day's social policy scares you? What social policy? The platform looks a hell of a lot like the status quo. What about social policy in Alberta under Klein, even with Day as a senior cabinet minister? Looks a hell of a lot like the Toronto status quo -- just that the people aren't necessarily as happy about it. Day might have made 'notwithstanding' noises around Vriend, but Love made short work of that. Look, bottom line. Rod Love wouldn't be involved with someone he didn't think could win. Rod knows that social conservatism is electoral death. Ergo, Rod won't allow Stock to initiate thing one, regardless of whatever Stock's convictions tell him. Maybe it's a deal with the devil from Stock's perspective, but he's made it. There are several posters here who have made the point, emphatically, that they'll vote for whatever other perdition might face Canada if individual liberties are threatened in any way. Fair enough -- it's not for me to gainsay your priorities, or whatever experiences have brought you to those priorities. But an Alliance government would not threaten those liberties! What's at stake in this election? These people have taken your tax dollars and used them for their own private purposes. They have treated the government of Canada as their own private posession, and your role is to shut up and pay your taxes. If you do not agree with the Liberal platform, or whatever policy happens to flit through the PM's head at that moment, you are a BAD CANADIAN. And you probably practice the goosestep when you think no one is looking. There is no longer room for dissent. You are BAD. But you can move to the United States if you don't like it. Think for a second about the fountain in Shawinigan. What did taxpayers put into it -- $500,000? Now, how much personal income tax will you pay during your entire lifetime? I'm paying about $20,000 a year. So that's about 25 years of my taxes, or maybe 3/4 of all the taxes I'm going to pay during my lifetime. Is that how you want your lifetime's contributions spent? Any time you question the Liberal's spending, they say, oh, you want to eliminate Old Age Security, or you want to do away with health care. The fact of the matter is, your tax dollars are going to Ottawa to keep the Liberals in power. Your tax dollars are going to where they think they can make the biggest splash, and buy voters. They have no interest in funding ongoing, accepted constitutional responsibilites, if they can't get electoral credit. Health care? Ya, it made a big splash for Pearson, but what has it done for me lately. Defense spending? Sure, it worked for Mackenzie King, but what has it done for me lately. The RCMP? We'll fund it enough so that we can use it as our own security force, and keep demonstrators away from us and any friends we don't want embarrassed. But we certainly can't have a credible, independant police force that might check our closets. (It's not just the feds who are doing this. Klein won't commit to higher permanent funding for health care or education. Oh, they're pumping big dollars in, but only on a [perpetual] one-time basis, so they can issue press releases and be heros.) What message do we send our children if we give the Liberals another majority? The message is that anything goes. Once you're in, you've got it made. Put your pals in the Senate, buy whatever votes you need. Newfoundland had Smallwood, and now a generation of Newfoundlanders is ashamed. Well, the rest of us can get used to it, 'cause that's the way we're going. I'm sorry to have gone on so long. If there's anyone who has read this far, let me make just one more point. I'm not supporting the Alliance only because I hate the Liberals. I'm supporting them because their philosophy is closely in accord with my own. I hope they will have the courage to build the kind of Canada I want my kids to inherit.