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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: American Spirit who wrote (81745)	11/19/2000 6:20:04 AM
From: JDN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Dear American Spirit: I dont know if you are just trying to be arguementative or if you are just terribly misinformed. I wont go over it all again, but I will say if you listened to that Govenor from Montana last night he only gave A SMALL SMITTERING of what is going on down here. For instance, not even mentioned, did you note that in every case the three counties originally did NOT wish to recount after they tested their machines and found them accurate--yet they CHANGED THEIR MIND. Do you know why? Its because the Democrats which make up the majority of each canvassing board or in sometimes the entire board, were approached and threatened with everything from exposure of private matters to destroying of careers. That young girl in Palm Beach County as of two days ago has lost 18 pounds, can barely speak and is a nervous wreck. Her best friend has said she is concerned for her health as she appears to her to be on the verge of a complete nervous breakdown. JDN

To: American Spirit who wrote (81745)	11/19/2000 7:26:17 AM
From: ColtonGang	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

Gore's in the right [PHILA. INQUIRER] As uncertainty lingers, Republicans desperately try to call the game early. What if the roles were reversed? What if it were Al Gore who narrowly led in the early election tallies in a state where his brother was governor? What if it were heavily Republican counties that were trying to get the most accurate count possible, while a state official who doubled as co-chair of the Gore campaign maneuvered ceaselessly to thwart the effort? What if Mr. Gore's minions were styling him as the rightful president-elect and decrying George W. Bush's use of normal legal avenues as "stealing the election"? What if their claim to have won the election rested mainly on premature victory calls by television networks, a cascade that began when a network whose news team was led by Mr. Gore's first cousin called it for his relative? Do you think the pro-Bush partisans now choking media e-mail systems with their demands for Mr. Gore to concede would be calling on Gov. Bush to do the same? Hardly. More likely, they'd be howling at the moon in the hyperventilating, conspiracy-laced rhetoric that conservative operatives perfected during their seven-year quest to delegitimize Bill Clinton. Though Gore's Florida team got off to a snarly, off-key start, their tone recently has been more moderate, keyed by the reasonable peace deal that Mr. Gore offered at midweek, but George W. Bush rejected. The topsy-turvy legal events of Friday ensure that the noisy uncertainty will linger into Thanksgiving week. The Florida Supreme Court rightly told state Secretary of State (and Bush campaign cochair) Katherine Harris not to certify final election results, as she'd promised to do Saturday, until it decides a dispute over requested manual recounts in three Florida counties. The implacable Ms. Harris has refused to accept those recounts, even though a sound case can be made that they would most accurately reflect the Election Day will of voters in those counties. Everyone with their wits about them has known that this drama would, in the end, turn upon how Florida's highest court decides to apply the state's election laws to this unique situation. Now, we're there. If the court agrees with Ms. Harris, that likely will be that. "Ruffles and Flourishes" for Mr. Bush. If the court disagrees, then nothing is certain until the recounts in Broward, West Palm Beach and perhaps Miami-Dade Counties are complete. With each long day of lawyerly spin, pundit gab and "hanging chad" jokes, more Americans conclude that they've had enough; they just "want it over with." That's understandable, but it's a reflection mostly of the psychic burdens of media overload in a wired world. This attitude succumbs to a false sense of crisis fomented by the Bush camp. Neither the work of the Electoral College nor the needs of an orderly transition of presidential power will be compromised by another week's delay in deciding the victor. And it fails to take into account the usual pace of election recounts, which often take this long in races of lesser scope and moment. For example, closer to home, the 12th Congressional District race in New Jersey between Dick Zimmer and incumbent Democrat U.S. Rep. Rush Holt is in a recount. Mr. Holt is leading, but his Republican opponent is filing lawsuits and trumpeting alleged irregularities. Should Mr. Zimmer concede? The Republicans are like a team leading after the seventh inning but agitating to have the game called. Just because they have one of the umpires in their pocket does not make them right. Their spin is often counter to the facts. Bush backers insinuate some kind of dark plot in the fact that all three counties now pursuing recounts are Democratic. The Bush camp could have similarly sought recounts in counties of its choosing. It didn't, missing deadlines now passed. If Mr. Bush thought those recounts would help him, would he not have sought them? His camp pushes hard the canard that manual recounts, which objective experts say Florida law prefers as the arbiter of last resort, are unreliable. This weekend, thanks to the Florida high court, the Palm Beach and Broward County recounts will plunge ahead in a legal Twilight Zone. That's preferable to Ms. Harris' foiled plan for another premature Bush victory declaration.

To: American Spirit who wrote (81745)	11/19/2000 10:20:15 AM
From: Thehammer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

<...This is down and dirty politics now..>> <<..They will do anything to preserve their fragile lead and discredit these new vote counts..>> <<.. Anything to win. ..> This is from the person who backs the party that seeks out the vote of felons in prison, suppresses the vote of our military personnel, seeks selective, arbitrary recounts, enlisted a firm to contact voters on election night and buys votes with cigarettes. Yeah right.