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To: Scumbria who wrote (19952)	11/20/2000 11:13:30 PM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Re: It appears that Athlon will be forced into a PR rating scheme. It would be interesting if they tried to differentiate between "high quality" MHZ, typified by Athlon, PIII, Duron, and Celeron and "low quality" MHZ typified P4, winchip, and transmeta. It would be better to try to downgrade P4 MHZ than upgrade Athlon MHZ. The difference in IPC is quite clear, even according to Intel, and if AMD could pull it off... Who would want a "low quality" anything? Especially at premium pricing. Dan

To: Scumbria who wrote (19952)	11/20/2000 11:22:20 PM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 275872

Scumbria, It appears that Athlon will be forced into a PR rating scheme. I don't think it will fly. AMD just needs to stay reasonably close in the clock speed so that the reviewers claim that Athlon is faster. Slowly, this "Athlon is faster" will sink in. Now with such a huge range of clock speeds - 600 MHz to 1.5 GHz, you don't necessarily need the fastest one. Few people buy the fastest one. But if the salespeople say that Athlon is faster than P4, people will not hesitate to buy Athlon in the middle of the range. Actually, majority of people tend to go for the middle of the available range, which is where AMD is the strongest. Next to a 1.5 GHz P4 for $3,500 a P3 running at 866 Mhz looks like a piece of crap, but a 1.1 GHz Athlon looks like a safe choice. The PR scheme would ultimately defeat Athlon, the way it defeated Cyrix when Cyrix was a contender. Suppose 1.2 GHz Athlon is rated PR 1.5 GHz. There will be at least 1 benchmark where Athlon will get slaughtered (Quake) and people will just say Athlon is slower, and there will be a lot of mistrust to Athlon. I believe Athlon will withstand being behind in MHz easily in 2001, and may regain the MHz crown with ClawHammer. So the potential PR damage caused by the PR ratings is not worth it. Joe

To: Scumbria who wrote (19952)	11/21/2000 1:28:42 AM
From: eplace	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

SCUMbria...It appears that Athlon will be forced into a PR rating scheme. Scumbria Will you and KASh get off that PR rating thing already. It isn't happening. It doesn't need to. Give the consumer some credit already and quit being so damn condescending. Hell, it looks like even some of the analysts figured it out. The p4 sucks plain and simple. That price, that die size and RamBust too. Ed P.

To: Scumbria who wrote (19952)	11/22/2000 4:59:50 PM
From: fyodor_	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

<Scumbria: It appears that Athlon will be forced into a PR rating scheme.> People keep saying things like this. I don't believe it. We all saw what happened to the original Celeron. It bombed. PR scheme or no, Rise/IDT/Cyrix chips just plain sucked. There seems to be a general belief that the "ignorant" (for lack of a nicer word) buyers equate MHz with performance. In my experience, that's BULL. Ignorant users have NO clue what speed their processor runs at. Have you ever done any type of user support? I'm talking about the group of users who equate "Internet" with "that blue 'e' thing" (and you wonder why Netscape has no market share?). They have NO idea if their computer is an Intel, an AMD, whatever. These people are truly CLUELESS. They buy what a friend or the guy behind the counter tells them to. -fyo