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To: pgerassi who wrote (122017)12/11/2000 1:41:57 PM
From: Tenchusatsu  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
Pete, <But Al Gore with the affirmation of four members of the FSC, attempted to steal the election by allowing bias to override the correctly done initial results in Florida.>

I agree that the FSC made the wrong ruling. But I also don't believe the USSC should have any say in what should be a state matter. Yes, I know, we are deciding the president of the whole U.S., not the governor of a single state, but then again, the idea of the electoral system is that it's up to each state to designate the electors, not the USSC.

I believe the outcome will be good (Bush getting into office, stubborn Gore finally conceding), but how we got there won't the best way in my opinion.

Tenchusatsu



To: pgerassi who wrote (122017)12/11/2000 4:12:37 PM
From: Windsock  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 186894
 
Pete - Re:"Once you deduce the intent of a voter, you start getting into trouble"

The standard of intent is often used in the legal system. The criminal law relies on intent all the time. Judges and juries make decisions every day on intent. But only AFTER hearing the facts.

The facts in Florida are contained in the ballots rejected by the machines. The ones that the Bushies insist NOT be reviewed.

Re: "But the principal rules that you elect someone by the rules in place before the election."

The Florida legislature did establish a Rule BEFORE the election. The standard for legal votes requires that the ballot contain "a clear indication of the intent of the voter". The command of the Florida legislature was adopted by the Supreme Court, as it should do.

No amount of making fun with dimples or asking questions on issues not specifically mentioned in the standard avoids the fact that the intent standard is the actual choice of the Florida legislature. You may desire more precision than the Rule contains but you can discard the Rule only with contempt for the principle that you set use the Rules existing before the election.

The Bushies want to discard this Rule and declare a victory. They are scared sh*itless that a count of the legal votes will show their guy lost the popular vote and that any "win" is just legal charade. You want to brand any opposition to the Rule adopted by the Florida legislature before the election as "cheating".