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To: chalu2 who wrote (116890)	12/16/2000 11:44:30 AM
From: TideGlider	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

That is such Socialist Propoganda. IAC it a totally Socialist/Communist organization. Many people want to pretend they are gone. Apparently you didn't read the links. The discussion stemmed from Brian Becker. Not Al Gore. TG

To: chalu2 who wrote (116890)	12/16/2000 11:48:15 AM
From: TideGlider	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

This was the post regarding Becker, not Gore. Message 15033409

To: chalu2 who wrote (116890)	12/16/2000 11:48:36 AM
From: gao seng	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Chaluvius, Socialism is alive and well. If you have not seen this debate yet, please watch a webcast of it at your convenience. Does Organized Religion Hold The Answers To The Problems Of The 21st Century? Ambasadaor Alan Keyes - Affirmative Professor Alan Dershowitz - Negative fandm.edu Date: Wednesday, September 27 Time: 7:30 p.m. Place: Alumni Sports & Fitness Center Will the world's religious groups join together in a family of nations and all faiths that will develop global solutions to pressing global problems? Hear two of the nation's most distinguished and thoughtful citizens verbally cross swords over the role that organized religion will play in ameliorating such growing problems as overpopulation, pollution, global warming, the depletion of renewable resources, and the increasing intolerance and violent conflict between ethnic and religious groups. (Or, the growing problems outlined by Robert Kaplan in his September 13th lecture). The Bonchek Center for Rational Thought and Inquiry was created to bring before the public significant open-ended issues involving reason, faith, and ethics. Through lectures and debates, the Center seeks to allow formidable thinkers on all sides of significant issues to present their views and foster human reasoning at the highest levels.

To: chalu2 who wrote (116890)	12/16/2000 1:49:34 PM
From: TH	Respond to of 769670

chalu2, You have made an interesting point. I think it is all to easy for Republicans and Democrats to lump and label, incorrectly I might add, each other in a specific camp. A more accurate grouping might be that X percent (lets say 75%) from both parties don't have a specific agenda. Lets say that the remaining 12.5% from each party have a very specific agenda (it might not be the same agenda and may in fact be at completely opposite ends of that specific parties spectrum). The trouble is that this 12.5% is involved in moving the party while the others don't take an active interest. This creates, at least in my opinion, a gross misrepresentation of the will of the majority in each party. I think Tide is saying that he sees socialist overtones, beyond those of conventional Democratic policy, in some of the recent leadership. The people we can see are moving in that direction. Conversely, lefties see us righties as more religious and gun-crazy. Of course both of these broad views do not reflect the actual position of the majority in each party. As for recruiting activities, well I ask, whats in a name? Black is white if you can get enough people to believe it. Free press would have stopped Hitler, and that is exactly why I oppose almost all gun laws. Anyway, I agree with what you are saying, and that is that 50 million people did not vote for a Socialist. They voted for someone that has some ideas that happen to be similar to those of a party long dead in this country called the Socialist. I don't know what they call themselves now, but they are still out there and they are a lot more clever. HAGO TH

To: chalu2 who wrote (116890)	12/16/2000 2:07:57 PM
From: RON BL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Morning ! Was not the attempt to create a national health care system a full blown attempt to be a socialist nation ? Correct me if I am wrong but the tax requirement of that especially given the free access of millions of poor people into this country would certainly have made us like Canada. Years ago when my mother was alive she showed me her check. On an income of 44K she was paying 22K in taxes. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck isn't it a duck ? By the way what a day here in the Bay Area. Sunny and warm while blizzards from global warming hit the nation.