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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (6827)	2/27/2001 6:50:59 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

You are right that agriculture is not maxed out. but some places water is, and has been except for sucking other places dry. It is not just technique, but location. And farming depends on the weather. You are at the mercy of it and know it every day. There are scientific ways to get around that, but we have to move them forward, and implement them, if we are to avert disaster. and many parts of the world are already living their disaster. Peach trees are budding early here because of a warm spell. Either a late hard freeze, or a summer drought, will kill the crop. Boom. Farmers out of money. People paying more for what few peaches there are. Many things make sense as a precaution. You don't wait until disaster strikes. Ask any farmer who has been ruined by a drought.

To: TimF who wrote (6827)	2/28/2001 12:43:40 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

be willing to bet you that economic production and economic efficancy both increase both for the US and the whole world, in the next 5, 10, and 25 years. Yes , industrial efficiency has peaked in terms of demand now .. and we created a voracious mind-set in the consumer , caused by cheaper goods while using up resources to keeping feeding those expectations . What do you think is going to happen now ? And higher and higher energy costs are going to become the norm . Changing over to coal, oil and gas in California ? A monumental and costly enterprise , but then you don't think there's a problem... And water is maxxed out in California , and in Texas , and in many parts of the Midwest . As well as the agriculture... farms are run by huge corporate conglomerates already. How much more efficient can you get than this ? And top-soil depletion and salination are not being reversed. De~salination plants to meet California's needs ? Sounds very, very, plausible.<gg> All this to keep up with your belief that everything is so sustainable and will find a technological fix, and keep the toilets flushing and lights flashing in Las Vegas. ( I am all for pulling the plug for Las Vegas...and I guess we can drain Lake Tahoe in Calif, eventually too....) BTW: We have already introduced superstrains of corn , wheat , and rice all over the world's agricultural scene , being grown as we type. There are limits to increasing yields by genetically altered plants, and without the introduction of the ones we have already put out there, you would be seeing one hell of a mess ----> right now. But in the realms of Biotechnology we are getting very efficient ...more & more people living longer, longer all over the world.... Again , a problematic thought isn't it ? We have already been quietly playing god with nature altering the plants , and taken that to the limit, now we will play "demi-god's" genetically altering ourselves. <<I would be willing to bet you that economic production and economic efficancy both increase both for the US and the whole world, in the next 5, 10, and 25 years.>> .... you can be sure of one thing , it is in our own personal lives , more than " industrial production" and "technology fixes" that will become more efficient in 20 years , especially if we are going to be living routinely to 75+ years or more and longer in 10-20 years <g> get very used to that thought ... BTW I was born in 1968. * I have news for you , the boom is over in this century as a consumer ,you have known it. You are already seeing the beginning of the shift towards an inevitable new paradyne of conservation. ;-) Mars Note : The quest for these solutions should be acknowledged openly and used as one of the primary inspirations for kids at school to study & embrace the world they live in . Not be led to think they can grow up to be good little responsible ideological master techno-crats , "Rulers of the Universe" and while in reality spoiled , mindless little gluttons ....i mean "consumers", which is what this country is mostly made up of .