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To: stribe30 who wrote (134395)	3/11/2001 1:58:35 AM
From: Scumbria	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575583

Scott, Bush is doing the tax cut thing, which always makes America go stupid. It worked in 1981, and it looks like it is going to work again. I hate to think how the financial markets are going to react when the return to deficit spending begins. Scumbria

To: stribe30 who wrote (134395)	3/11/2001 7:26:05 AM
From: TGPTNDR	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1575583

Scott, Give it a rest -- Bush got 25% more votes when & where it counted. Drill ANWR! tgptndr

To: stribe30 who wrote (134395)	3/11/2001 1:03:55 PM
From: Scumbria	Respond to of 1575583

Scott, Looks like Gore won either way. The newspaper said Gore would have had a net gain of 784 votes over Bush if the county's three-member canvassing board had counted every ballot with a hanging chad, pinhole or dimple -- enough to erase Bush's 537-vote margin. dailynews.yahoo.com Scumbria

To: stribe30 who wrote (134395)	3/11/2001 5:55:08 PM
From: jbkelle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575583

Stribe, My recollection from newspaper articles at the time was that the ballot in question was prepared by the local Democrat Party, and approved for use by both parties. If the local Democrats thought it was confusing or unfair, they had their opportunity to challenge and change it. I also remember that anyone who wanted a new ballot was entitled to receive one if they asked for one while still in the booth, prior to turning it in. Thus, many of us on the outside think that the invalidation of those “attempted” votes was quite reasonable. I think the political diatribe on this thread is unbelievable. To say the Bush administration is "illegitimate" is beyond common sense. By the definitions offered by the die-hard Democrats on this thread, it would be equally valid to say that a Gore administration would also be illegitimate. The election was a statistical dead-heat, and in many important precincts around the country, places that had an impact on the electoral college outcome, there was known voter fraud. The Bush folks argued that the votes should be counted in accordance with the rules that were in place at the time of the election. That’s what happened, and Bush won. To many of us, what was done represents the essence of the meaning of "count every vote." If there was a legitimate desire on the part of the Democrat Party then all votes in all precincts in Florida should have been recounted. Many of us who are crossover voters would have supported that, but couldn’t support selective recounts. Given the articles I've read about significant voter fraud nationally, in many urban areas and in places like NM, where the voter registration process is "leaky" at best, I don't think it's possible to say who won the popular vote or the electoral vote. This is especially true if the mantra is properly defined as, “count every legitimate vote by legally registered voters.” I think the Supreme Court did the most reasonable thing that could be done, fall back to what was counted locally and reliably, setting aside all questionable ballots. The Supreme Court decision opens the door for major voter procedure overhaul in the four years leading up to the next presidential election. However, it doesn’t seem that any of the politicians are very interested in reform of the voting process and/or voter registration process. A cynic might say that the neither the Dems or Republicans are interested in the possibility that they would lose power if legitimate reform occurred. Within the last month, the Democrats here in NM shot down the concept of voter registration reform, vehemently opposing any attempt to require any form of identification in order to vote. I think their intentions were clear. I can’t say what’s going on in other places. I’m dismayed by the attitudes both parties when it comes to election and campaign reform. They should both be thrown out – during the course of legitimate elections, of course. JBK

To: stribe30 who wrote (134395)	3/11/2001 6:36:38 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 1575583

Confusing ballot cost Gore 6,607 votes in Florida county, paper reports Looks like this shows Bush is an illegitimate and US Supreme-Court-Appointed By-1-Vote President.. not to mention of course losing the popular vote The US always goes around the world complaining about banana-republic rigged elections.. they better look at home. ----------------------------- A ballot design that confused voters into chosing two candidates cost Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Al Gore 6,607 votes in Palm Beach County, the Palm Beach Post newspaper reported in Sunday editions. 1 - That is an estimation based on the opinions of a newspaper. They didn't count votes that aren't counted to figure out that "if all votes were counted" that Gore would have had more, they made guesses as to who a person really wanted to vote for and then figured those totals. 2 - If someone did not vote or voted incorectly because they were confused by the ballot that doesn't mean the winner of the vote didn't win. If VA was the disputed state and I accidently voted for Gore and that one vote put Gore over the top then Gore would have one even though I wanted to vote for Bush. We can count votes but not read minds. Voters making mistakes does not make the election either rigged or invailid. Tim