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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bill who wrote (8162)	3/12/2001 11:34:43 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

You are an even bigger moron than I thought you were. In fact, you may be a bigger moron than I thought is was possible to be. >Socialists, graduated tax proponents, estate tax proponents, unions, gun confiscation freaks, etc. are all communists by another name. No amount of quibbling or dissecting of words will change this.< Ebillious definitions- for simpleminded folk.

To: Bill who wrote (8162)	3/12/2001 11:45:49 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 82486

OH WOW you can go see yourself on the big screen. You are exactly like the poor pathetic reactionary count in Chocolat- that's YOU! You won't recognize yourself, but that's ok- everyone else will know you. All those people having fun in the movie? They would be the folks you think of as commies. But they are really just people without teeny tiny limited minds.

To: Bill who wrote (8162)	3/12/2001 11:53:05 AM
From: Zoltan!	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 82486

"I’ve never met a real social-welfare state leftist who could answer the following question without having to think real hard: ‘Aside from the murder and genocide, what exactly don’t you like about National Socialism?’" nationalreview.com ...Hitler and the Nazis were resolutely pro-gun- control, pro-speech-code and anti-religious. They regulated everything and dumped billions into public-works projects. Further, the intellectual cross-pollination between German eugenicists and the founding mothers of modern feminism is remarkable. Recall that Margaret Sanger, the still-revered founder of Planned Parenthood, was an undiluted eugenicist committed to, in her words, the elimination of “weeds . . . overrunning the human garden” and the segregation of “morons, misfits, and the maladjusted." Her journal, The Birth Control Review, was a convenient transmission belt for racist bile. Lothrop Stoddard, who also was on Sanger’s Board of Directors, wrote in “The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy” that “we must resolutely oppose both Asiatic permeation of white race-areas and Asiatic inundation of those non-white, but equally non-Asiatic regions inhabited by the really inferior races.”...

To: Bill who wrote (8162)	3/12/2001 11:53:41 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property I have never run into anyone on SI or anyplace else in the US or Canada who advocated the collective ownership of property. Not even close. I admit that I have, on occasion, used the term, socialist, to apply to left wingers, who are into social engineering with the public's tax money, but I know when I say it that even "socialist" is hyperbole when applied to the people found on SI. If you want to label left wingers "communists" to exaggerate the difference you have with them, have the grace to not try to defend it with a dictionary. Perhaps you should use that dictionary to look up "hyperbole." Karen

To: Bill who wrote (8162)	3/13/2001 12:24:03 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Your dots remain unconnected. com·mu·nism (kmy-nzm) n. "A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members. A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people." An adequate definition, although it misses the central Communist tenet that the means of production must be held by the state, acting (allegedly) on behalf of "the people" or "the workers". Socialists, graduated tax proponents, estate tax proponents, unions, gun confiscation freaks, etc. are all communists by another name. No amount of quibbling or dissecting of words will change this. Socialists, possibly, defending on how you define the term (it is a very loosely defined term). I don't see how any of the other categories you cite fall necessarily into the definition that you quote.