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To: limtex who wrote (96775)	4/4/2001 10:34:39 AM
From: T L Comiskey	Respond to of 152472

L..." Why get into a position with 'spy planes' that could get into a situation like this in the first place with the Chinese of all people?" Might have something to do with the continuing Arms Sales to the Nationals off the coast of China....... the profits on One Sub to Taiwan out weigh all the Q chips the mainland ..'might' desire jmnsho T

To: limtex who wrote (96775)	4/4/2001 11:04:56 AM
From: ggamer	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 152472

I have an answer for you: One thing that our VP wants to do is to leave a legacy before his heart gives up. He wants to be known for taking us back to the future: the COLD WAR. Here is a brief report card of Buchman in the first few months in the office: 1)Bomb our good old friend Iraq 2)Playing with the Chinese fire crackers 3)Kicking out 50 Russian diplomats 4)Reducing Taxes for 1% of the rich Americans 5)Go against the environment laws 6)CA can go to hell with their power crisis 7)The first day in the office, tell the country that the economy is slowing down. Nice! 8) Palestinians can go to hell. The Jews can go to hell. We are not getting involved. So go kill each other. Thank you Mr. President, we are sure glad you came to save us. GGamer

To: limtex who wrote (96775)	4/4/2001 12:44:50 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Respond to of 152472

I wonder what we would all say if Chinese 'spy planes' were to be based in Cuba... Why would anyone, much less the Chinese, even bother, we have an open democracy and anybody with half a brain can do all the industrial or other spying around here much more simply.

To: limtex who wrote (96775)	4/4/2001 12:55:11 PM
From: Uncle Frank	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

>> UF - Have the Chinese bomebed an US emabassies lately? ... Why get into a position with 'spy planes' that could get into a situation like this in the first place with the Chinese of all people? Perhaps safeguarding the interests of the USA distracted our intelligence community from their primary assignment, which is of course to protect your investment in Q. uf

To: limtex who wrote (96775)	4/4/2001 1:49:51 PM
From: S100	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

"I wonder what we would all say if Chinese 'spy planes' were to be based in Cuba and start cruising 20 miles off teh coast of Miami or Houston?" Well. I don't know about that particular case, but this has been going on for decades. --- snip "No other nation accepts such a claim," Carter said, adding that the U.S. routinely permits Russian trawlers with sophisticated electronic gear to patrol waters beyond 12 miles off the Norfolk, Va., naval base and near Pearl Harbor. "The Russians do this, and we accept it," he said. "There's nothing illegal about spying in international waters or in the airspace over those waters." Trimble agreed, saying that "international law is pretty simple on most of these points, even though factual situations can be somewhat complicated." "The general rule," he said, "is there is freedom of the high seas and the airspace over it. If the plane was over the high seas, China had no right to interfere with it or force it to land, and once it landed, they would be under an obligation to remedy that and release the crew." In 1972, the U.S. and Russia entered into an agreement to try to avoid accidents involving military planes and ships, authorities said. "If mishaps occurred, they agreed to notify each other and talk about it," Carter said. But the U.S. has no such agreement with other countries, he added. He said the Law of the Sea treaty "provides that a warship, wherever it is, is immune from being boarded absent a declaration of war. You don't board them if they stray into your waters. You say, 'Get out of here, we don't want you,' and you file a diplomatic protest. The same would be true of warplanes." Other experts agreed that the prohibition against boarding military vessels in such circumstances would make it illegal for China to confiscate the high-tech gear on the spy plane. snip latimes.com

To: limtex who wrote (96775)	4/4/2001 7:06:00 PM
From: cfoe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

wonder what we would all say if Chinese 'spy planes' were to ... start cruising 20 miles off teh coast of Miami or Houston? Russians used to do this all the time. As later post said we had an agreement with them to avoid and/or deal with accidents such as this. Just heard this on news that in early 70s a Russian surveillance plane made an emergency landing on an island off Alaska. Our response: helped them refuel plane and take off. Of course there was no loss of life. However, no one can believably accuse a slow moving propeller plane of buzzing and then crashing into a fast moving jet.