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Pastimes : The New Qualcomm - write what you like thread. -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: tekboy who wrote (2878)	5/3/2001 2:56:19 PM
From: gdichaz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 12229

tekboy: Thanks once again. Comment: The loon is a beautiful and talented bird well adapted for what he does. His "voice" is an acquired taste though. Best. Chaz

To: tekboy who wrote (2878)	5/4/2001 4:13:44 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 12229

Tekuboi-san, I fear there are no sidelines. <tekboy@whohateshavingtowatchfromthesidelines.com > Winter has come. It's windy. It's raining. It's 8pm and night-time. I'm going to go for a walk in the dark. I will return, though I may be some time. I'm going to write something, but I don't know what. I half-ranted this morning, but gave up, deleting it. Manana. Meanwhile, MightyLakers says how I feel just now... =========================================================== To:JohnG who wrote (98768) From: mightylakers Thursday, May 3, 2001 9:56 PM View Replies (2) \| Respond to of 98782 <US poses no threat to China> John, I don't know what I should tell you. Sigh. =========================================================== Thanks for the link to "Posing Problems without Catching Up", By Thomas J. Christensen. Mqurice

To: tekboy who wrote (2878)	5/4/2001 10:53:27 AM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 12229

Thanks for linking that lucid piece. The US/China relationship may be one of those rare ones where increased trade and cultural relations do not ease tensions and, in fact, may exacerbate them. Witness the trade secret thefts and trademark piracy. I was surprised to learn that the Chinese still see the US as a Paper Tiger in much the same way that Mao did. Isn't the first rule of international relations that any power will use its military force to protect its vital interests? As respects Taiwan, the Chinese calculation may ultimately be that its military protection is unlikely because substantial American vital interests are simply not involved.

To: tekboy who wrote (2878)	5/8/2001 6:22:05 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 12229

* From the sidelines * I got the following from an email list today. I don't know whether it's true or not, but it fits the facts that I'm aware of. I was going to use the Timothy McVeigh bombing of the ATF building in regard to the China/Taiwan/USA arguments, so it was a matter of 'speak of the devil'. We also have Bob Kerrey and Lt Calley as examples of people who were acting in a military way to support a style of political power. The USA inflicts collateral damage regularly. It seems that McVeigh was not acting in a criminal way for self-gain but was conducting a civil war. One of the reasons prisoners of war are treated differently from criminals is that their buddies react to bad treatment. I wonder if there will be another bombing on Timothy McVeigh's execution date. George Bush, Jiang Zemin, Timothy McVeigh and Bill Clinton are all power-seekers who will inflict "collateral damage" on children and other people in their attempts to gain power and influence. It's wryly amusing that Timothy uses so accurately the self-justifying lingo of the USA military and political system. I haven't figured all this out, but I think there is a lot to conclude about the relationships between individuals, their state, other states and individuals in other states and their own state. The USA, by executing McVeigh, is creating an ironical situation, a martyr. It's a fascinating and frightening thing and the interest in Timothy McVeigh is far more than the interest in a common criminal. While Bill Clinton was getting blow-jobs and scrotum admiration in the Oval Office, Timothy McVeigh was in prison awaiting execution. We know who the top monkey was. Now George Bush is Top Chimp and he's gonna tell Jiang Zemin where he will and won't sit in the monkey cage. Anyway, the sky is blue, it's daytime, warm and I'm going to patrol the sidelines in the idyllic bush-clad golf course at Waitakere. I'll try to figure this stuff out later. Mqurice <Subject: LIBERTYLOOP: FW: FC: Timothy McVeigh, muzzled by U.S. government, speaks via the Net To: <libertyloop-list@free-market.net> ---------- From: Sovereign Consulting Group Inc <director@offshoreinsider.com> Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:14:56 +1000 To: editor@freeradical.co.nz Subject: Fwd: FC: Timothy McVeigh, muzzled by U.S. government, speaks via the Net Hi Lindsay You may have seen this - but just in case you haven't, I enclose it below. Interesting reading. cheers Ian >> >>----- Forwarded message from Eric Cordian >><emc@artifact.psychedelic.net> ----- >> >>From: Eric Cordian <emc@artifact.psychedelic.net> >>Subject: The Muzzling of Tim McVeigh >>To: cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com >>Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 13:12:26 -0700 (PDT) >> >>The government is being real careful not to let Tim McVeigh have a forum >>to speak prior to his closed-circuit murder on May 16th. They have >>forbiddden any televised interviews, and the lap dogs in the US press are >>being very careful to not quote verbatim a single word McVeigh has said, >>instead relying on editorial pieces disguised as news, in which topics >>like McVeigh's "remorse" and his use of the term "collateral damage" are >>spun to exacting federal standards. >> >>Fortunately, McVeigh wrote down his reasons for the OK bombing, and mailed >>them to a friend. This friend kept them secret, until McVeigh directed a >>UK journalist to contact the friend, in order that the material could be >>released. >> >>So, while the press in the "Country That Never Apologizes" continues its >>anti-McVeigh ranting, readers in Britain are getting the facts of the case >>directly from McVeigh. >> >>In McVeigh's Own Words: >> >> "I explain herein why I bombed the Murrah federal building in >> Oklahoma City. I explain this not for publicity, nor seeking to >> win an argument of right or wrong. I explain so that the record >> is clear as to my thinking and motivations in bombing a >> government installation. >> "I chose to bomb a federal building because such an action >> served more purposes than other options. Foremost the bombing >> was a retaliatory strike; a counter attack for the cumulative >> raids (and subsequent violence and damage) that federal agents >> had participated in over the preceding years (including, but >> not limited to, Waco). From the formation of such units as the >> FBI's Hostage Rescue and other assault teams amongst federal >> agencies during the 80s, culminating in the Waco incident, >> federal actions grew increasingly militaristic and violent, >> to the point where at Waco, our government - like the Chinese - >> was deploying tanks against its own citizens. >> "Knowledge of these multiple and ever-more aggressive raids >> across the country constituted an identifiable pattern of >> conduct within and by the federal government and amongst its >> various agencies. >> "For all intents and purposes, federal agents had become >> soldiers (using military training, tactics, techniques, >> equipment, language, dress, organisation and mindset) and they >> were escalating their behaviour. >> "Therefore this bombing was meant as a pre-emptive (or >> pro-active) strike against these forces and their command and >> control centres within the federal building. When an aggressor >> force continually launches attacks from a particular base of >> operations, it is sound military strategy to take the fight to >> the enemy. Additionally, borrowing a page from US foreign >> policy, I decided to send a message to a government that was >> becoming increasingly hostile, by bombing a government building >> and the government employees within that building who represent >> that government. Bombing the Murrah federal building was >> morally and strategically equivalent to the US hitting a >> government building in Serbia, Iraq, or other nations. >> "Based on observations of the policies of my own government, I >> viewed this action as an acceptable option. >> "From this perspective, what occurred in Oklahoma City was no >> different than what Americans rain on the heads of others all >> the time, and subsequently, my mindset was and is one of >> clinical detachment. (The bombing of the Murrah building was >> not personal, no more than when Air Force, Army, Navy or Marine >> personnel bomb or launch cruise missiles against government >> installations and their personnel). I hope that this >> clarification amply addresses all questions." >> McVeigh also comments on Feds thinking the law doesn't apply to them: >> >> "When the post-inferno investigations and inquiries by the >> Executive and Legislative branches of government concluded that >> the federal government had done nothing fundamentally wrong >> during the raid of the Branch Davadians at Waco, the system not >> only failed the victims who died during that siege but also >> failed the citizens of this country This failure in effect left >> the door open for more Wacos. >> "Some time after the fact they received awards, bonus pay and >> in some cases promotions for their disgusting and inhumane >> actions at Waco and Ruby Ridge. >> "This was exemplified years later while I sat in prison, The >> Ruby Ridge FBI sniper, Lon Horiuchi, was charged by the state >> of Idaho for his actions. >> "The federal courts threw out the charges, ruling that federal >> agents are immune from the laws that govern the common citizen. >> "The surviving Davidians were sentenced to lengthy prison >> terms, despite protests from the trial jurors. The primary >> 'checks and balances' system had again failed to correct the >> system. >> "It was at this time, after waiting for non-violent checks and >> balances to correct ongoing federal abuses and seeing no such >> results, that the assault weapons ban was passed and rumours >> subsequently surfaced of nationwide, Waco-style raids scheduled >> for the spring of 1995 to confiscate firearms. >> "These rumours were so persistent and deemed so credible that >> some congresswoman wrote letters to Attorney-General Janet Reno >> inquiring as to her intents and admonishing her to call off the >> raids. >> "As it turns out these rumours were actually based on fact. >> "Through the legal process called 'discovery' the Oklahoma City >> bombing defence learned that both the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, >> Tobacco and Firearms) and the FBI had formulated raid plans for >> the spring of 1995 at Elohim City in eastern Oklahoma. So for >> those who dismiss such concerns as paranoia you need to look a >> the facts as they existed a the time and further reflect that >> the Waco raid was not imaginary - it was a real event. >> "It was in this climate then, that I reached the decision to go >> on the offensive - to put a check on government abuse of power >> where others has failed in stopping the federal juggernaut run >> amok. >> >>As Gore Vidal said, "This guy's got a case." Too bad he's being spun by >>the Federal propaganda machine as some sort of rabid terrorist. >> >>Isn't killing a disarmed POW a human rights violation? This principle >>should apply to an Army of One, just as it applies to an Army of Many. >> >>-- >>Eric Michael Cordian 0+ >>O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division >>"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" >> >>----- End forwarded message ----- >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list >>You may redistribute this message freely if it remains intact. >>To subscribe, visit politechbot.com >>This message is archived at politechbot.com >>------------------------------------------------------------------------->

To: tekboy who wrote (2878)	5/10/2001 6:28:32 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 12229

* From the sidelines * While I'm trying to figure things out, the world keeps turning and The Individual versus The State duel is set for next Wednesday. It seems that the state had trouble winning the heart and mind of the individual but is going to succeed in obliterating the heart and mind of the individual. The individual is going to commit doctor-assisted suicide* next Wednesday [which, ironically, is illegal when done by Dr Kevorkian]. In Japan they use a ceremonial sword with which to disembowel themselves. The drug-obsessed USA culture goes with an injection of drugs while strapped cruciform-style to a 'gurney'. Because the decision not to appeal and oppose the execution was decided by Timothy McVeigh, it becomes his decision rather than the state's. It is therefore a suicide, albeit a mutually-decided one. The context of the situation has not escaped the awed onlookers and we now have a prequiem trumpet piece titled "Onward Valiant Soldier" or "Ave Atque Vale" [the article isn't clear on the name]. I dare say a lot of people will want to hear that. Here is the article by THE ASSOCIATED PRESS nytimes.com <Filed at 12:59 p.m. ET LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A composer has created a 12-minute musical ``prequiem,'' a pre-death trumpet fanfare, he hopes will escort Timothy McVeigh's soul to heaven when the Oklahoma City bomber is executed May 16. David Woodard said he has been in contact with McVeigh and is trying to coordinate a performance of the piece, called ``Onward Valiant Soldier,'' to be broadcast on an Indiana radio station just before Wednesday's scheduled execution. .... ... Woodard, 33, said he does not support McVeigh's anti-government cause, but is ``awed by who (he) is and his circumstances.'' Woodard originally composed the piece for Jack Kevorkian, the Michigan doctor who has assisted in numerous suicides. It was first titled ``Farewell to a Saint.'' The name has since been changed to ``Ave Atque Vale,'' which in Latin can also be translated to mean ``Hail and Farewell.''> Timothy McVeigh knew what he was doing and why and there was reason in what he was doing, whether we agree with him or not. He is prepared to die and is choosing death rather than continued control by the state, [which is not cowardice - I'm surprised he is called a coward by some]. This is relevant to China, [and therefore CDMA and QUALCOMM and me - proving there are NO sidelines], because Tom Christensen is pointing out that having power does not dictate how other people will act. The USA can turn China into a desert. But, frustratingly for Georgie, the wills of Jiang Zemin and a billion Chinese can't be subverted by the demonstration of that power. If the USA couldn't cow one person, [Timothy] who was operating almost alone, they sure can't cow 1.3 billion people in China and those leading [ruling] it, even if the USA does have swarms of nuclear-armed cruise missiles, gaggles of frigates and aircraft carriers and pods of giant submarines. While people are really more like chimps than our dreamy concept of how humans are, I suppose we can expect more of the same. More bombs and gunfire in Peoria and the same between political groups, whether or not one is greatly more powerful than the other. Vietnam was a similar blunder of false expectations about how power can be wielded. Bullying is also topical in schools in the USA - the bullied are all too often coming back with gunfire at those demeaning them. Wielding power is hard going! The recipients seem to be reluctant to just lie down and take it like a man. Perhaps the USA culture is too obsessed with power. Power is a very limited resource. Power cannot take over another person's mind. Synergistic love is a much greater power than Top Chimp power through the barrel of a gun [Mao had no clue about true power]. Something along those lines is how I'm thinking. Which, I hasten to add, does not mean self-defence using power is a bad thing. So, rather than sending tanks and tear-gas into Waco, ATF could have done like the British used to with IRA terrorists - send in a cup of tea and wait for everyone to calm down and finally, inevitably, get sick of the whole thing and surrender. Maybe Georgie could say to China that it would really be unwise to attack Taiwan because while he couldn't guarantee that the USA would defend Taiwan, it was quite likely that the USA Congress and people would consider it essential for freedom and to make the world safe for CDMA [which China can make a LOT of money from and use a lot in China]. China attacking Taiwan would be like Iraq attacking Kuwait - it would upset other people around the world too; me for example. Jiang shouldn't think it's just the USA who would prefer they keep their cotton-pickin' hands offa Taiwan. Meanwhile, why not stop by for a nice cup of tea and see if we can't work something out? Mqurice PS: I wonder if IT will use similar methods to despatch those opposing it. * Doctor-assisted suicide? What about the Hippocritical Oath.

To: tekboy who wrote (2878)	5/15/2001 7:41:45 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 12229

* From the sidelines * Spy plane crisis over: Beijing Friday, May 11, 2001 Message 15789640 <ASSOCIATED PRESS in Honolulu Updated at 12.35pm: A top mainland official said on Friday (HK time) that he believes his country and the United States have resolved their dispute over the downed US spy plane, agreeing to hold the highest level meeting with the Bush administration since the crisis began. China's finance minister, Xiang Huaicheng, and US Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill were meeting on the sidelines of an annual meeting of the Asian Development Bank in Honolulu, primarily to discuss economic issues. [contd...]> Gee, there is a LOT happening on the sidelines, what with Jiang and Irwin and Xiang, you, me and everyone else. Mqurice

To: tekboy who wrote (2878)	5/15/2001 8:15:00 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 12229

* From the sidelines * Unicom signs the deals: Yippee! It seems that Bill Clinton, Jiang and Irwin got on okay at the recent meeting: Condoleezza and Georgie are on the sidelines. The real power is now in cyberspace and The New Paradigm. The old geopolitical nonsense is nearly dead. In NZ, it has already happened - the proof is that women totally run NZ now, from the Queen, to the Governor General, Prime Minister, Leader of Opposition, Leaders of other parties, Telecom Boss, Law and Doctor Guilds, Mayors of major cities, High Court judges, Chief Justice, Heads of Departments etc, etc. Major Paradigm Shift Happens and has done once again. Message 15800895 <China Unicom Signs CNY12.1B In CDMA Contracts (MORE) Dow Jones Newswires 15-05-01 0907GMT Signs Contracts With 10 Companies BEIJING (Dow Jones)--China United Communications Corp. Tuesday signed CDMA equipment contracts worth a total of 12.1 billion yuan ($1=CNY8.28), a company spokesman told Dow Jones Newswires. The contracts were signed with all 10 companies that had previously been reported as receiving contracts. The spokesman declined to give values for the individual contracts. > Mqurice

To: tekboy who wrote (2878)	5/22/2002 6:11:38 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 12229

* From the sidelines * Tekuboi-san, I see that Colinisation Powell has adopted my philosophy and only a year after you first raised the matter. I told you there are no sidelines. Now it's official: quote.bloomberg.com <...President George W. Bush has said repeatedly during the U.S.- led military campaign in Afghanistan, aimed at uprooting terrorists blamed for last year's attacks, that all nations will be considered either allies or enemies in the war on terrorism. ``In this global campaign against terrorism, no country has the luxury of remaining on the sidelines,'' said Secretary of State Colin Powell in today's annual report. ``There are no sidelines.''... > GeorgeW, Colin, Condoleezza and you are gradually coming around to my point of view. It's a shame it takes the destruction of great big buildings and thousands of people to get people thinking about what the heck to do about all this stuff. Now we have India and Pakistan ready to go at it, with nukes as a last resort. Anyway, now that it's official USA policy [somewhat belatedly] that there are no sidelines, after some intellectual grunting and puffing, they will realize that a corollary of that is that the USA is not on the sidelines either. We are all in it together. The USA is in the midst of 6 billion messy people and nearly 200 countries in an anarchical international system which the USA is NOT providing much lead in civilizing, despite being the biggest, toughest, richest and having the wherewithal and strategic interest [it's good to use some jargon buzzword stuff] to provide that guidance. Soon, GeorgeW, Condominium Rice, Colinization Powell, Gideon Rose, the Council on Foreign Relations and all that crowd, will be promoting "We the Sheople" in a reconstituted United Nations designed in a more federal and democratic way than the present anachronistic Big Power geopolitical nationalistic form. Too often, political and military alpha-male chimpoids go for atavistic head-hacking and bulk murder in an attempt to get their way or revenge real or imagined earlier evil. It will take people a while to get their heads around a new UN design, so I'm not expecting any early action and it might be too much for them to cope with. Heck, I have trouble persuading those in the FADG so it'll take a while. But eventually they'll see the way to Peace, Light and Harmony ... sometimes it takes a longer time than I first think [like CDMA ruling the waves]. People who claim to like democracy would, you'd think, be in the vanguard of the promotion of democracy on a global scale. People who like rule of law, would, you'd think, be writing up some proposed international constitutional law based on tried and true principles. People who like civilization, would, you'd think, be promoting management and protection of private property within secure national boundaries. From the battlefield, Mqurice

To: tekboy who wrote (2878)	6/8/2022 8:07:08 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 12229

Tekboy@whohateshavingtowatchfromthesidelines.com your name was used in vain siliconinvestor.com Call of duty to not be on the sidelines. We have a quorum if Vlad and Volo agree. I'm assuming TJ would be happy to help. Actually, a quorum of 7 is a better prime number. 7 x 6 discussions = 42 = answer to life the universe and everything. I asked Google and Wikipedia who said you have moved on from Foreign Affairs to think-tank book writing. You need a break from a book and also to get off the sidelines into the fray. Mqurice PS I wonder what the book is and what the think tank is thinking. Also, how are things going?