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To: Katherine Derbyshire who wrote (46392)	5/7/2001 11:21:12 PM
From: StanX Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Today was a low volume day, but institutes are moving in a little at a time. iw.thomsonfn.com The pie chart has been under 25% institute buying for the last week, today =40%. Stan

To: Katherine Derbyshire who wrote (46392)	5/8/2001 12:09:48 AM
From: Ian@SI	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 70976

Katherine, Perhaps they actually gain more through the increased levels of trade which is both more fair and more free. Ian. US trade barriers are among the lowest in the world already. For that reason, free trade agreements usually require the other country to give up more than the US does.

To: Katherine Derbyshire who wrote (46392)	5/8/2001 11:00:04 AM
From: Lone Star	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

One small addition, as I agree completely. The social safety net is a wonderful, and needed, component to a capitalist or socialist society. The breakdown in both has historically been the safety net, as administered by a central government, became, one, a hammock, and two, the administering central government wasted the bulk of the target dollars in graft, bureaucracy ( overhead), and general waste. There are so many examples of good intentions gone bad, the one I use most is housing projects. Ever see one? What could be bad about giving people housing? The liberals never understood how after about one year these nice new abodes could look like they got nuked. Why? They weren't purchased, the people who got them didn't have their own blood, sweat, and tears in them, so they didn't take care of them ( in general- certainly some recipients were grateful ). What liberals forget is that pain and suffering is, in it's essence, a good, necessary, and powerful thing. I grew up poor, and nothing in my life has motivated me more. As I worked my way through college, there were weeks where I went hungry for a day or two waiting to stretch my next paycheck. I am not by nature a self-motivated person, so i am actually lucky to have been molded by my experiences. If I had had been given things, I would not be the person I am today.

To: Katherine Derbyshire who wrote (46392)	5/8/2001 6:21:24 PM
From: Cary Salsberg	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

RE: "Democracy is resilient." One is less sanguine if one measures "Democracy " by the number of minority citizens who are incarcerated. RE: "Such a safety net has been the standard in Europe for many years." European politics of the 20th century spanned the full spectrum of left to right, while American politics spanned the spectrum from center to right. RE: "...free trade agreements usually require the other country to give up more than the US does." Correct! We failed to protect many of our domestic industries years ago. Astute capital went overseas, while labor went to work at some minimum wage, no benefit service job. If accepting labor and environmental conditions raises wages from $1 to $5 a day, American multi-national business gains while American labor loses.