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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (14910)	5/30/2001 11:52:01 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Well yes, lookie here. You've put us both in the correct boxes. You say the truth can be very harmful. I say when the truth hurts it is like awful tasting medicine. I would say go with it while you would probably say stay away from it. The word "compassion" means with passion. People who have only passion to guide them may live very volitile lives lacking in guiding principle. I know people like this and find them fun to be around. I like passion but I think it should be bound by guiding principle. Camp fires are nice. Wild fires I can live without.

To: epicure who wrote (14910)	5/30/2001 2:18:21 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

After thoughts: "There are many instances when the truth is cruel." Truth when shared between individuals is usually limited to a needs to know basis. When you tell the truth about your sister-in-law to your cousin at a family reunion, it may be catagorized as gossip, which is a (don't, wrong). That doesn't mean, however, that you should tell a lie in this circumstance.

To: epicure who wrote (14910)	5/30/2001 3:22:43 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I don't thing truthfulness has anything at all to do with morality, or righteousness, or "goodness". So I totally disagree with numbers one. When I saw Brees' list, I considered taking exception to number 1 as did you and Thames. I opted not to because, while I wouldn't frame it the way he did, I can live with it for the sake of a consensus. Why is lying wrong? Well, if you come at it from a religious perspective, well, I'll leave that to others to explain. From a secular perspective, I think it is wrong because it's a breach of trust. Most lies are a breach of trust. We have reasonable trust expectations of others. It violates that trust for a spouse to say he was working late when he was out partying. It's a breach of trust to send someone for a ride when he's lost and stopped to ask you for directions. We have a reasonable expectation of an honest reply to a request for directions even though the parties have no individual contract as do the spouses. Some lies don't violate any trust. For example, if a salesman comes to your door selling vacuum cleaners and you don't want a new vacuum cleaner but he just keeps pitching. So you tell him you just bought a new one last week to get him to go away. No harm, no foul, IMO. There's no reason for him to care why you don't want to buy his product, only that you don't. I think that the admonition not to lie is too simplistic, yet I share Brees' fondness for the truth and I think most people lie way too easily and that's not healthy for society. Lying can be a slippery slope. I'd rather just specify the wrong as breaching a trust and be silent on lying, which I think is a distraction. Karen