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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (5299)	6/25/2001 4:59:57 PM
From: westpacific	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

Missle defense just mere hyperboil. Have you seen our water system for the West - it is called the Colorado River, every channel is wide open. It would be so easy to pollute this supply. And that is just the tip of the iceburg. Rogue states and factions will not be launcing ballistic missiles. The threat is just not there. The real threat is small covert operations that are impossible to defend from. Space rocks, lets see the last event was 60 million years ago, worry about that. Pay off the debt, fight AIDS, but blow billions or even trillions on a system that is not proven to work. Shows the stupidity of Washington. Just looking to pay off favors of the contractors involved. Not to mention destroy NATO, and alienate us from the entire world. West

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (5299)	6/25/2001 6:42:25 PM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

<germ warfare is probably one of the greatest reasons for an anti-missile defense system.> Well, with the fungus/yeast infested foods the average American ingest nowadays the real threat is from our own food supply anyway... <NG> DAK

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (5299)	6/25/2001 8:03:54 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Ron, <<regression to a multi-polar international system>> Good luck. Gold is valueless after 4000 years, and multipolar is now considered a regression? BTW: The germs will cross borders in little bottles, carried by Federal Express, and the virus will cross borders by fiber optical cables; complementing missiles mineraturized to the extent that they can be launched off pleasure boats by passengers with manageable sized suitcases. Chugs, Jay

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (5299)	10/24/2002 11:11:40 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hello Ron, this was an interesting exchange we had a while ago, and as we are now 12+ months forward in time, a review is in order. Message 15992459 Message 15993177 June 25th, 2001 “Hi Ron, <<regression to a multi-polar international system>> Good luck. Gold is valueless after 4000 years, and multipolar is now considered a regression? BTW: The germs will cross borders in little bottles, carried by Federal Express, and the virus will cross borders by fiber optical cables; complementing missiles mineraturized to the extent that they can be launched off pleasure boats by passengers with manageable sized suitcases.” Message 15993426 Message 15993857 June 25th, 2001 “Hi Ron, <<And that's what Echelon is all about. Knowing who is doing what, to whom>> Only works for the major languages, not the minor dialects, spoken by folks most likely to be using you know what, else they mostly communicate in regular chit chat. Recent capital punishment case illuminate the ease of havoc. Echelon is no longer of any value against current generation encryption technology for messages that matter. <<The problem with biological warfare .... own back yard>> This is probably not going to be an obstacle for the true believers. <<Cyberwarfare ... we're just not light years ahead of defending against it>> You are correct that the US is the most vulnerable and the DNS lookup servers locations are mostly, if not all, known, bullseyes for germs and fertilizer bombs. Friends come and go, enemies accumulate. When minority groups are treated fairly, wherever they may be, and the process in whole is democratic, there would be less worries on defense. To sum, deadlier than ever attacks is easier than ever. ” Guess what? Apparently (a) Echelon can be much more useful when used domestically in the US Message 18155538 , and (b) cyber attacks work best on the most sophisticated Message 18155542 . I like this BBR thread, because there is not only so much history here, but also so much forward-looking scenario discussions. Chugs, Jay