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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (3778)	6/26/2001 3:42:29 PM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 93284

the sole purpose of the exercise was to condemn the United States. Even if that were true, the pressure from the rest of the world to eliminate the death penalty will only increase over time. This country is on the wrong side of this issue much as it was on the wrong side of slavery 150 years ago. The pain of getting to the right side will only increase. TP

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (3778)	6/26/2001 7:49:21 PM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 93284

Interesting answer James. The answer that I was anticipating was: the former head of the Chicago Homicide Division had a remarkable record in obtaining confessions and subsequent convictions. What Illinois discovered was that the head of the homicide division and his underlings had put together a hand-cranked electric generator. The alligator clips of the electric generator were attached to various parts of the suspect's body to include fingers, ear lobes and scrotum. Some judge thought that this was perhaps denying the defendent his rights. But I'd be the first one to say that isolated cases don't necessarily support a point. They are usefull for illustration, but can be misleading if not considered within the context of an overall statistic. If I make a comparison of total reported cases that's another matter. I'm interested, for personal reasons, in the UK. I can relate the above incident to a general statistic. Annual reports of police brutality (per 100,000 people) United States 92.5 United Kingdom 6.0 I think that's a significant statistic; not an isolated case. Then there's murder rate: Murder rate (per 100,000 people): United States 8.40 Canada 5.45 Denmark 5.17 Germany 4.20 Norway 1.99 United Kingdom 1.97 Sweden 1.73 Japan 1.20 Finland 0.70 I've seen some people argue that an American woman is more likely than not to be sexually assaulted within her lifetime. I think you could use the statistic below to judge how reasonable that claim is in various countries. Rape (per 100,000 people): United States 37.20 Sweden 15.70 Denmark 11.23 Germany 8.60 Norway 7.87 United Kingdom 7.26 Finland 7.20 Japan 1.40 But to directly answer your question as to who those wonder countries were. The United Nations Human Freedom Index (0 = least freedom, 40 = most freedom.): Sweden 38 Denmark 38 Netherlands 37 Austria 36 Finland 36 France 35 Germany 35 Canada 34 Switzerland 34 Australia 33 United States 33 Japan 32 United Kingdom 32 Sure could get the impression the sole purpose of the exercise was to condemn the United States. Your statement, reminds me of a toast given in Apr 1816. I have to dust off a book.... Our Country! In her intercourse with foreign nations may she always be in the right; but our country right or wrong. Stephen Decator Well known quote. But there was a response to the toast that is perhaps not well known. "My Country Right or Wrong" is a thing no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying, "My mother drunk or sober". G. K. Chesterton jttmab