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To: D. Long who wrote (161199)	7/16/2001 8:50:47 AM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Surrendering 18 years?? Well you see, that is where worldliness may have you by the butt, do you recognize it.?. Having and raising a child is not SURRENDERING anything. ...except now in our "me first my convenience, my satisfaction, me first" country. AND if you have any children, you understand that you are not giving 18 years, you are giving your complete life to loving that child. I pray there is ALWAYS emotion when discussing children, no matter the age of the child, and not just thrown out on a platter of so called "debate" by self serving "intellectuals". I mentioned this in an earlier post: desensitize since you seem to consider that child raising is "surrendering 18 years" ,you may need to consider something that will change that selfish worldview.

To: D. Long who wrote (161199)	7/16/2001 12:26:26 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

D, I post on what I consider to be self evident and from that I paint where what is self evident leads. Now those who can't, won't, or don't want to see what I see as self evident may feel strong emotion. Discomfort. Now your perspective of surrendering the next 18 years of one's life as what being a parent means is an extremely pessimistic view. Seeing the development and joy and pain of an emerging person are what makes life worth living. But many caught in the chasing the goods of status game lose sight of that. It's all about frame of mind that leads to state of mind. I have spent much more time on average with my children than many other parents. I chose to run my life so that was possible. I do have many things that other don't and I don't have many things that others do. But I do have three wonderful young adults that are taking on the world. At 50 I feel I have had a very fulfilled and successful life. Do you think in terms of convenience? I prefer to think in terms of responsibility. Do you express the concept of self? I prefer to explore selfless. Is a life full or empty? Giving of oneself in person is far more rewarding than paying taxes so some public servant can dole out some impersonal giving. These are statement of my frame of mind. In America all are free to have whatever frame of mind. tom watson tosiwmee