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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Dayuhan who wrote (18397)	7/16/2001 7:43:19 PM
From: gao seng	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Well, maybe it was getting ridiculous before, but it is beyond the realm of absurdity now. It all boils down to free will. You can not force your beliefs on anyone. It just can't be done. Give up the attempt. It won't work. Accept defeat and surrender to each his own right to believe what he wants to.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (18397)	7/16/2001 8:12:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Please refrain from using terms like "know", "prove", "right", "wrong", etc., because they really have no relevance at all to the question at hand. That is silly. If these terms don't apply here they don't apply anywhere. Research has shown that at a job interview an interviewer makes a decision to hire a candidate within the first 20 to thirty seconds of an interview. A great deal of what is known by this first impression is not apparent to logical facilities. An average interview takes 35 minutes. The majority of the interview period is spent by the interviewer trying to test their initial impression. This is typical of how human beings involve themselves in life's ventures. People who believe and practice a religion behave similarly. All of us experience periods of doubt. We associate ourselves with a community of similarly minded people, engage in social study, query of the physical universe, strive to live clean lives, and remain mindful of our progress. When we identify faults in ourselves we try to learn from our mistakes and weaknesses to improve our conditions. Scientific inquiry, logical analysis, and a keen awareness of the human condition are very key elements of such life. The human condition carries with it self evidence of the standards of good and evil. This is getting ridiculous,... People who call themselves "humanists" while denying the basis of the human condition are bots.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (18397)	7/16/2001 8:27:02 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

We have some people who believe that we must decide for ourselves what rules are to govern our conduct. Others belive that appropriate rules are revealed to us by people who claim to be in touch with God. But you miss a major point. Those who believe that rule sare revealed by God have decided for themselves what rules are to govern their conduct just as you have. You have, for example, apparently decided to believe in certain principles. So have they. Just because beliefs don't include God and theirs do doesn't make any difference. You have both chosen what you want to believe. I will agree that my "women as humans" issue was not the best one to use. Here's a much better one. Should the abortion of a fetus in third trimester purely for convenience and not for the health of the mother be considered murder? And why or why not? This boils down very simply to what you think it means to be human. There is no scientific answer to this. There is no way to "logically" argue to a conclusion without starting with basic assumptions which must be assumed. it is a pure matter of belief. Whether you choose to embrace a belief because you believe it comes from God, or whether you choose to embrace a belief because you believe it comes from something else, presumably something that resonates with yo personally, is, IMO, irrelevant. You choose your belief. No science, no logic, can make your right or wrong. Choose God, choose no God, it's the same thing. Even you ought to be bright enough to understand that.