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To: Krowbar who wrote (165606)	7/29/2001 1:40:04 AM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Welcome to fanatical hell, Del. Oft-Misquoted Adams Quip What you see in a great many quotes lists: This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it!!! -- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson The real context of what Adams was saying: Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!!!" But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell. -- John Adams, quoted from Charles Francis Adams, ed., Works of John Adams (1856), vol. X, p. 254

To: Krowbar who wrote (165606)	7/29/2001 11:14:07 AM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

No, the framers created a nation in which all religions could exist if they chose to do so peacefully. The Christian principle of forgiveness enables that. I'm no expert on the other religions, but I believe Christianity is the only one with such a principle at its core. Correct me if I'm wrong. You can't deny, however, that the nation is primarily Christian. I don't care for your pejorative innuendo, but I appreciate your recognition that *Repeating misinformation over and over doesn't make it so.* Now if we could just get all left wing personalities on this board to see that.

To: Krowbar who wrote (165606)	7/29/2001 6:58:16 PM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 769667

I did not say "they" created a Christian country. I said Christians , by and large, created this country. You professional disinformationalists wish it was not so, but tough. It is. Get over it. I will start ALL over again, and be posting SEVERAL, so you can see with your own three beady eyes. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: probably more of a deist BUT with the recognition of CHRIST....no other... founded the Pennsylvania Hospital, the inscription which Ben composed for the cornerstone reads:: In the year of Christ,1755,.....This building, by the bounty of the goverment and of many private persons, was piously founded, for the relief of the sick and miserable. May the God of mercies bless the undertaking I do not believe Franklin was much for pomp and circumstance and traditional ceremony of religiosity but he recognized real truth when he heard it. Hence during the Great Awakening, he built a huge auditorium for his friend the preacher George Whitefield. Some of his written statements include, ::' Whoever shall introduce into public affairs the principles of primitive Christianity will change the face of the world..........A Bible and a newspaper in every house, a good school in every district-all studied and appreciated as they merit-are the principal support of virtue, morality, and civil liberty....... Ol' Honest Abe, while saying true enough , that he was no a member of any Christian church, says this but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and also that he cold not be brought to support a man for office whom he knew to be an open enemy of, and scoffer at religion. ((as you are))) Several speeches he even quoted Christ in the scriptures.....wonder why????? if this was not a christian nation, why bother???????? (((oh yeah oh yeah i know, it was ""political"" so he could get re-elected--lol) You are mistaken on J. Adams: In his diary he writes: <<< "if I would go to Hell for an eternal moment or so, I might be knighted"--Shakespeare------- By a courtier I mean one who applies himself to the passions and prejudices, the follies and vices of great men in order to obtian their smiles, esteem and patronage. and consequently their favors and preferments..... A MAster requires of all who seek his favour an implicit resignation to his will and humor, and these require that he be soother, flattered, and assisted in his vices and follies, perhaps the blackest crimes that men can commit. The first thought of his will produce in a mind...a soliloquy, something like my [Shakespeare] motto--as if he should say--The Minister of State or the Governor would promote my interest, would advance me to place of honour and profit, would raise me to titles and dignities that will be perpetuated in my family, in a word would make the fortune of me and my posterity forever, if I would but comply with his desires and become his instruments to promote his measures.... We see every day that our imaginations are so strong and our reason is so weak, the charms of wealth and power are so enchanting, and the belief of future punishments so faint that men find ways to persuade themselves to believe any absurdity, to submit to any prostitution, rather than forgo their wishes and desires. Their reasom becomes at last an eloquent advocate on the side of their passions, and [they] bring themselves to believe that black is white, this vice is virtue, that folly is wisdom and eternity a moment.... I dread the consequences. [A master] requires of me such compliances, such horrid crimes, such a sacrifice of my honour, my conscience, my friends, my country, my God, as the Scriptures inform us must be punished with nothing less than Hell fire, eternal torment. And this is so unequal a price to pay for the honours and emoluments in the power of a minister or Governor, that I cannot prevail upon myself to think of it. The duration of future punishment terrifies me. If I could but deceive myself so far as to think eternity a moment only, I could comply and be promoted. ....STAY TUNED MO' LATER....

To: Krowbar who wrote (165606)	7/30/2001 12:07:25 PM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 769667

WILLIAM SAMUEL JOHNSON---signer of the Constitution of the United States. Quoted in a speech: You this day, gentlemen, assume new characters, enter into new relations, and consequently incur new duties. You have by the favor of Providence, and the attention of friends, received a public education , the purpose whereof hath been to qualify you the better to serve your Creator and your country… Your first great duties, you are sensible, are those you owe to Heaven, to your Creator and Redeemer. Let these ever be present to your minds, and exemplified in your lives and conduct. .. ………Remember, too, that you are the redeemed of the Lord, that you are bought with a price, even at the inestimable price of the precious blood of the Son of God. Adore Jehovah, therefore as your God and your Judge. Love fear and serve Him as your Creator, Redeemer, and Sanctifier. Acquaint yourselves with Him in his word and holy ordinances. ROGER SHERMAN signer of the US Constitution and an American Revolutionary Patriot. Wrote this creed: I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, the same in substance equal in power and glory. That the scriptures of the old and new testaments are a revelation from God, and a complete rule to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy Him. That just two more patriots....MORE TO COME....

To: Krowbar who wrote (165606)	7/30/2001 2:57:51 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 769667

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are a gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever." --Thomas Jefferson

To: Krowbar who wrote (165606)	7/30/2001 5:11:50 PM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 769667

MORE FROM THE FOUNDING FATHERS: GEORGE READ: Signer of the Declaration of Independence, signer of the constitution, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Delaware. Known as “the Father of Delaware,” G. Read wrote “the first edition of her laws” and the Constitution of the state of Delaware. The requirements , stated in the state’s Constitution, necessary for holding office include: ‘ DELAWARE 1776. Article XXII. Every person who shall be chosen a member of either house, or appointed to any office or place of trust….shall…make and subscribe the following declaration, to wit: “I_____, do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed for evermore; and I do acknowledge the holy scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration. :” JOHN DICKINSON: Signer of the US Constitution, a member of the Continental Congress . Was best remembered as “The Penman of the Revolution” Here is an excerpt from his “Letter from a farmer in Pennsylvania” But while Divine Providence, that gave me existence in a land of freedom, permits my head to think, my lips to speak, and my hands to move, I shall so highly and gratefully value the blessings received as to take care that my silence and inactivity shall not give my implied assent to my act., degrading my brethren and myself from the birthright, wherewith heaven itself, “hath made us free”. . MORE HISTORY LESSONS LATER......

To: Krowbar who wrote (165606)	7/30/2001 5:36:30 PM
From: J_F_Shepard	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

"Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen and Thomas Paine were Deists, as well as Abraham Lincoln." Nice post, Del.....very interesting and informative.

To: Krowbar who wrote (165606)	7/30/2001 8:34:25 PM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Oh Dilbert? You mentioned John Quincey Adams. hmmmm. ok, you lose again. JOHN QUINCY ADAMS “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.” “From the day of the Declaration….they [the American people] were bound by the laws of God. Which they all, and by the laws of the Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledge as rules of their conduct.” A quote out of a speech in 1838, “ Sir, I might go through the whole of the sacred history of the Jews to the advent of our Saviour………. Even at 77 years old, JQAdams says this: “The bible carries with it the history of the creation, the fall and redemption of man, and it discloses to him, in the infant born at Bethlehem, the Legislator and Saviour of the world. And in an article he writes this: There are two prayers that I love to say--the first is the Lord’s Prayer, and because the Lord taught it; and the other is what seems to b a child’s prayer: “Now I lay me down to sleep,” and I love to say that because it suits me. I have been repeating it every night for many years past, and I say it yet, and I expect to say it my last night on earth if I am conscious. But I have added a few words more to the prayer so as to express my trust in Christ, and also to acknowledge what I ask, for I ask as a favor, and not because I deserve it. This is it: “Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep; If I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take; For Jesus’ sake. Amen.” proof aplenty. MORE TO COME STAY TUNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

To: Krowbar who wrote (165606)	7/31/2001 10:35:42 AM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 769667

THE first of todays continuing lessons in Founding Father quotes and information:: JACOB BROOM Signer of the constitution of the US, banker , farmer, merchant, surveyor. In the Official Papers of Delaware, written in 1909 he was described as such: ….as an accepted fact that the “foundation of all permanent prosperity is a right regard for the Divine Being”, it is proper to say that Jacob Broom was a God fearing man. As a delegate from the state of Delaware, he would have complied with the requirements for office as stipulated by his state’s constitution, which included the oath to God the Father, Christ the Son and the Holy Ghost. (Article XXII) In a letter to his son written in 1794: Do not be so flattered as to relax in your application; do not forget to be a Christian. I have said much to you on this head, and I hope an indelible impression is made. GUNNING BEDFORD: A signer of the US Constitution and a delegate from Delaware. Studied under one of the premier theologians, John Witherspoon. Of course as a delegate from Delaware he would have complied with the requirements of the office including Article XXII professing faith in the Father , Son and the Holy Ghost. RICHARD BASSETT One of the signers of the US Constitution also a delegate from Delaware (remember article XXII) . Converted to Methodism, freed his slaves and made them hired workers, was described by Major William Pierce of Georgia, as such: A religious enthusiast, lately turned Methodist, who serves his country because it is the will of the people that he should do so. He is a man of plain sense, and has modesty enough to hold his tongue. He is a gentlemanly man, and is in high estimation among Methodists. MORE LATER, after a recap of posts for your review.

To: Krowbar who wrote (165606)	7/31/2001 10:46:56 AM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 769667

AS PROMISED, A RECAP OF POSTS SO FAR : Message 16142532 Message 16144608 Message 16145553 Message 16146290 Message 16147098 Message 16149114 Signs of Christianity everywhere in our Founding FAthers....what WILL we do??????? MORE LATER

To: Krowbar who wrote (165606)	7/31/2001 10:40:53 PM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 769667

CONTINUING THE EDUCATION OF DILBERT::: MORE FROM TWO MORE OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS: JAMES McHENRY A signer of the US Constitution, a member of the Contintental Congress, US Secy of War, a physician, and a president of the first Bible society in Baltimore. He wrote this article: Neither, in considering this subject, let it be overlooked, that public utility pleads most forcibly for the general distribution of the Holy Scriptures. The doctrine they preach, the obligations they impose, the punishment they threaten, the rewards they promise, the stamp and image of divinity they bear, which produces a conviction of their truths, can alone secure to society, order and peace, and to our courts of justice and constitutions of government, purity, stability and usefulness. In vain, without the Bible, we increase penal laws and draw entrenchments around our institutions. Bibles are strong entrenchments. Where they abound, men cannot pursue wicked courses, and at the same time enjoy quiet conscience. Consider also, the rich do not possess aught more precious than their Bible, and that the poor cannot be presented by the rich with anything of greater value. Withhold it not from the poor. It is a book of councils and directions, fitted to every situation in which man can be placed. It is an oracle which reveals to mortals the secrets of heavens and the hidden will of the Almighty….. It is an estate, whose title is guaranteed by Christ, whose delicious fruits ripen every season, survive the worm, and keep through eternity. It is for the purpose of distributing this divine book more effectually and extensively among the multitudes, whose circumstances render such a donation necessary, that your cooperation is most earnestly requested. JOHN LANGDON A signer of the US Constitution, a US Sentator, Governor of Hew Hampshire, merchant and soldier. One of the founders and and the first President of the New Hampshire Bible Society. Following a visit by then President Monroe, in 1817, the local newspaper reported the following: While at Portsmouth, the President spent part of the Sabbath which was not devoted to public service, with that eminent patriot and Christian, John Langdon..... MORE TOMORROW . BE IN CLASS ON TIME DILBERT.

To: Krowbar who wrote (165606)	8/1/2001 4:56:54 PM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

YOUR CONTINUING EDUCATION: PATRICK HENRY It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. FOR THIS VERY REASON peoples of other faiths have been offered asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here. WILLIAM LIVINGSTON Signer of the US Constitution, member of congress, first Governor of New Jersey, General in the militia. In March 1776 he wrote this, as recorded in the Journal of Congress, and was passed without dissent. ‘ We earnestly recommended that Friday, the 17th day of May next, be observed by the colonies as a day of humiliation, fasting and prayer, that we may with united hearts confess and bewail our manifold sins and transgressions, and by a sincere repentance and amendment of life appease God’s righteous displeasure, and through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ obtain His pardon and forgiveness.’ MORE TO COME....lot of Christian ties, wouldn't you say??