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To: smolejv@gmx.net who wrote (6598)	8/3/2001 4:33:27 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi DJ- No REAL horror stories but I'm getting a lot more calls from people who are getting fired or laid off. One thing that's weird is a lot more calls from women claiming they've been sexually harassed or assaulted on the job. Maybe because they don't think they can find another job and figure it's worth it to fight rather than quit.

To: smolejv@gmx.net who wrote (6598)	8/3/2001 8:15:24 PM
From: Mark Adams	Respond to of 74559

Which brings up an honest, stupid, blue-eyed question - do we really have to consume, to be productive, happy, fullfilled, to do our part in this world? DJ must be already in a terminal phase, harhar. Quiet. Tread lightly. The thought police will find you. There is a book titled Graceful Simplicity that touches on that very topic. There is also a book 'Your money or your life' which suggests making those kind of decisions quite consciously. I think capitalism will survive the globules of desire awakening to the truth, but others aren't quite so secure.

To: smolejv@gmx.net who wrote (6598)	8/4/2001 12:12:18 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

>>do we really have to consume, to be productive, happy, fullfilled, to do our part in this world?<< Well, we do consume, and we do produce, no matter what, right? OK, there are those who never produce, people who were brain damaged at birth, something like that. But we all consume. Happy and fulfilled is good, but we can't all have it. I think most of us would like to have it if we can. I dunno. I drive a SUV, a 1996 Land Rover Discovery, so that makes me ipso facto evil. I bought it because my husband and kids are very tall, and I wanted them to be comfortable, and I wanted to be able to drive safely in the ice and snow in the mountains. I didn't do it for the economy, and I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks about me. If I wanted to impress people I'd drive a Mercedes or a Lexus or a Porsche. It's just a car, a way to get from Point A to Point Z. I do care about the environment, I recycle more than anyone else I've ever known or heard of. I'm fanatical about conservation. This car wasn't intended to be my GFY to the rest of the world, it was intended to be my cocoon, my shield. I bought it after an accident where my husband ran into a deer on the highway while I was a passenger, that caused tremendous damage to the vehicle, and made me feel very unsafe. My question is, how did what we consume get transformed into who we are? Do I have to make a fashion statement every time I buy something? Is nothing private? Is nothing personal?