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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: gao seng who wrote (25534)	8/31/2001 2:28:51 AM
From: gao seng	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Let me rephrase that, and attempt to clarify what I am trying to say. Our rights come from a Creator. I don't see how someone who is an agnostic would risk his life over these rights, although I do see how an atheist would not risk their life for these rights. But as they say, there are no atheists in foxholes. So, I really do not think there is such a thing as an atheist. Some would say we are all agnostic. I do not agree. For those of good faith, it is a rather simple thing to hear the Way of the Tao. I seriously look at it this way: When a wise scholar hears the Tao, He practices it diligently. When a mediocre scholar hears the Tao, He wavers between belief and unbelief. When a worthless scholar hears the Tao, He laughs boisterously at it. But if such a one does not laugh at it, The Tao would not be the Tao! -Tao Teh Ching (The Daode jing)

To: gao seng who wrote (25534)	8/31/2001 1:40:28 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Our rights did not arise out of oppression. I'd suggest you read some history. What is in the first 10 amendments sprang from abuses of the English monarchs. The guarantee of religious freedom is obvious- -many of the American colonists were religious refugees. Amendment III No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. was a practice of the British in the colonies- -forcing people to provide housing and board for British soldiers for free. The fifth amendment guarantee against self-incrimination was a protection against the British abuse of demanding confessions to avoid torture or getting confessions by torture. Amendment VIII Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. contains a variant of that guarantee. From another section of the Constitution, Section. 9. Clause 3: No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed. The legal language used, such as "bill of attainder" and "ex post facto law", are terms used in English jurisprudence. The Declaration of Independence makes direct references to abuses by the English.