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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: gao seng who wrote (25571)	8/31/2001 3:56:52 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

I think the syllogism is flawed, but the basic point is this: justice is either inherent in the nature of man, and therefore rights are individuals to claim, or it is a consensus about social order arrived at by a culture, in which case rights are something bestowed, and, if not bestowed, one is out of luck.......

To: gao seng who wrote (25571)	8/31/2001 5:38:34 PM
From: MulhollandDrive	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

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To: gao seng who wrote (25571)	8/31/2001 5:49:36 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Come from? Why do they have to "come from" some place or thing? We simply decree that they exist - legally. This is law we're talking about. Law. Agreed-upon rules for the interactions of members of a society. If the Bill of Rights is decreed by God, why don't ALL governments operate by them? Why do they have a choice? We don't have a choice about being bound by the law of gravity. If we don't, then the self evident truth that all men are created equal is a lie. All men are in fact NOT created equal. That is what is self-evident. Some are stronger than others, some smarter, some better at dealing with other people. Equal means equal before the law- -the law is required to treat all men the same. And that is clearly not true also; it is more honored in the breach.