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To: KyrosL who wrote (9375)	9/15/2001 8:46:43 PM
From: Monty Lenard	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

That is totally ridiculous ... read what he says first. But you are entitled to you opinion as uninformed as it may be. Monty

To: KyrosL who wrote (9375)	9/15/2001 10:11:39 PM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Did you see the former U.S. embassador to Iraq on TV last night??? I was very surprised to see him lay out his veiwpoint. DAK

To: KyrosL who wrote (9375)	9/15/2001 10:33:06 PM
From: Stock Farmer	Respond to of 74559

If the Israelis and Palestinians were living peacefully ... if Iraq was not being bombed daily and sanctioned to death... there would have been no Sept 11, and ... And if wishes were nickles we'd be rich... I fear a great deal of oversimplification packed into this debate. Perhaps there would have been no September 11, but September 12'th might have been a great deal different. Or maybe it was the 13'th... The world is a hugely complex place. I recently watched a LINUX versus Windows feud unfold... strange, but the engineers started the debate about which one was better at solving the problem before they had even defined the problem. And then spent untold hours debating and arguing. From the first meeting it spilled into the lunchroom and out into the halls and raged over nights and days. And the engineering team was thus divided into three camps: The Windows gang, the LINUX gang, and everyone else. And in the end the LINUX crowd won: the whole windows gang was fired which settled that debate rather nicely (as far as the LINUX crew was concerned). And a few of the everyone else gang got caught in the corporate cross fire too... and blamed the LINUX crowd. I don't think it's over, to tell you the truth. Those Windows folks are still fulminating... But if this hasn't happened to you, try dropping in on the Qualcomm thread and mentioning that GSM-TDMA is a better mobile standard than CDMA. Pick a topic, pick a thread. It will work out that way in the end if you let it. But this is over stuff that can be precisely defined in terms of ones and zeros. Measured against empirical scales to whatever degree of precision you desire. Down to angstroms if you wish. Clearly right versus clearly wrong. If only cool heads could prevail. And yet emotions flare to rage and irrational acts. And good well meaning folk end up wishing ill of each other. And perpetrating evil upon each other. And seeking revenge. And so on. Now, imagine when it is not possible to define right or wrong by empirical metric. When one faces collisions between belief systems over which it isn't even possible to describe the parameters of "better". Stir in a dash of imperfect translation between entire language systems. And sprinkle with entirely different cultural mores. LINUX versus Windows pales to transparent in comparison. So while I would lobby otherwise, and we all would beg for cool heads, it is not unreasonable that blood would spill. Who did not feel the heat of blood on Tuesday? I wish it weren't so, but for so long as men are willing to scream at each other eye-to-eye about stuff that doesn't matter in the end... Well it's certainly asking a bit much not to get to the point of killing each other when stuff of real deep-rooted meaning collides. And thus fomenting the desire for revenge... No, I can imagine an over-stressed social fabric that binds us together as humanity. And I can see it coming apart even more easily than our global financial system. And the myriad patchwork repairs are so weak and threadbare. Greenspan has it easy. Of course, I may be wrong. John.

To: KyrosL who wrote (9375)	9/15/2001 11:32:44 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Why do we bomb Iraq? For fun? No, it's to degrade Saddam's ability to use MWD. Israelis and Palestinians living peacefully together? Before the British Mandate created Israel, before World War II, Jews were buying land from moderate Arabs and living quietly. Do you know who ended that? Radical anti-Semitic Arabs. A pro-Nazi dude named the Mufti slaughtered Jews and moderate Arabs alike. The US was nowhere in sight. Hell, I don't care about Israel. I agree with Jim Black. Level it and leave it radioactive and let them go find somewhere else to live. I just want to say the situation was impossible before we got involved, and it remains impossible.