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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (7966)	9/16/2001 8:27:02 AM
From: chowder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

Hi Ray! >> To my Republican friends, if it appears that I'm heaping ridicule on your plan, or lack thereof.... Sorry, seems to be what it deserves << As a card carrying member of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy," I can assure you, I take no offense to your comments. I'm somewhat concerned myself that the plan, like most plans since WW II, will come up a day late and a dollar short, and the mess left behind will have to be dealt with, by someone else, again. If we undertake the plan to go to war against terrorism, we must take out the leadership. I didn't say arrest them, I said take them out. Without leadership, there's no recruitment. If leaders are continuously taken out, and quickly, you'll end up without anyone wanting to take over. Hence the idea, the motivation dies, sort of the way my pal Razor's pirates went away. dabum

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (7966)	9/16/2001 9:54:28 AM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

Of course, the sinister, Machiavellian view is that the sacrifice of 5,000 citizens is worth it, if we can have a wonderful adventure in the Arab world and gain a whole new dimension for the American empire. Could those in charge be that callous? I dunno. Ray, it's not the sinister view, it's the 19-century view of a 21st-century situation. For example, in the 1990's the Serbs thought the Germans backed Croatia to get "an outlet to the sea" in the south. The Croats thought the Russians backed the Serbs for the same reason. They were choking on 19th-century geopolitical views. The US has been involved in the Middle East for decades now, ever since the Brits and the French had to skedaddle. We don't need adventures (the days of romantic foreign adventures are over, and they were a lie and fabrication to begin with). Suggesting that any US administration would invite a tragedy on the scale of September 11 as a pretext for a foreign policy move tells me you have a lot more reading to do in your foreign policy education. That's not shooting the messenger, that's putting your remarks into context. You are way out of date indulging notions like that.