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To: Worswick who wrote (79)	9/16/2001 3:37:28 PM
From: Steve Felix	Respond to of 281500

Quite possibly the best post on SI in a long time imho. Thanks

To: Worswick who wrote (79)	9/16/2001 3:54:12 PM
From: George Papadopoulos	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Clark, thank you so much for your post, the best one I ve read here in the SI circus in a long while. Let's hope our leaders listen before we embark on a vicious war and fall into their hands. I outlined my theory (and hope) in a much earlier post in another thread that we will somehow get Pakistan's Musharraf to deliver the WIN for us and we'' give him what he wants (got 30 billion in debts forgiven already, who knows, Kashmir too...hey, we are desperate here). Thank you again for the history lesson in Afganistan, that is not Disney land. Unfortunately, most Americans have no clue about what the thirst for revenge is about to unleash on a whole lot of people, including us. God Bless us George@nomorelaundry.com

To: Worswick who wrote (79)	9/16/2001 4:15:54 PM
From: Mad2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Overview of the taliban movement in Afganistan afghan-info.com Senior Leader: Mullah Mohammed Omar Political Leader: Mullah Mohammed Rabani Organization: Taliban ( God's Students), Radical and Extremist Muslims Nationality: Pashtoun Ethnic Group/Frontier Residents Goal: Establishment of a Strict Islamic State in Afghanistan For More Information Visit TALIBAN.COM A review of Taliban Regime from September 1996-Present. Click Here Who is Who in the Afghan Civil War? Click Here Short History The Taliban movement was formed in Kandahar in 1994 by Islamic students who take a radical approach to interpreting Islam. The Taliban captured Kabul in September 1996 from Mujaheedin regime. The government of Burhan-ul Din Rabani ousted. The Taliban government in Kabul has been recognized only by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Republic. The Taliban regime strongly have been supported by Pakistani military regime. Anti-Taliban factions still hold about 15 percent of the country in the northern parts of Afghanistan. The United Nations and other international communities condemn the Taliban regime because of its violation of human rights, particularly restrictions of women from outside work and freedom. On October 10, 1999, the United State government declare political and economical sanction against the Taliban regime in Afghanistan because of holding and supporting Saudi billionaire Ben Laden. October 25, 1999, Taliban offer talks between Afghanistan and the US Government including the future of Osma bin Laden. October 28, 1999. Saudi Millionaire declared his desire to leave Afghanistan November, 5, 1999: Bin Laden likely stay in Afghanistan Historical Background A mysterious group of youth militia so called" Taliban" who claim that they are God's Students has involved in the battle for capturing power in Afghanistan since late 1994 and early 1995. It is unknown who are the Taliban militia ? Where they came from? Are the Taliban fighters the Islamic theology students they claim to be, or they are the agent of Pakistan's secret service ISI? perhaps yes? It is not sure. Ex Afghan government led by Burahn-ul Din Rabani insists they are the operatives of the ISI, Pakistan' secrete service agency, through which the United States and its allies funneled huge money and arms to Afghan Mujaheedin groups from 1979 to 1989 to fight Soviet presence in Afghanistan. The origin of the Taliban movement in southern Afghanistan in late 1994 was just as following : "A religious teacher; Mawlawi Mohammed Omar, organized his students, or " Taliban," into a band to pursue and kill a Mujaheedin leader and his men who had assaulted three women in the city of Kandahar". Anwar Munsuri, Deutsche Press Agents, in an article in wrote " The Taliban grew into a reformist force against the rape of Afghanistan by warlords and "corrupt and power-hungry" Mujaheedin groups. By February 1995, the Taliban successfully captured half of southern provinces without any resistance and surrounded Kabul suburbs; but they pushed back by government forces loyal to today's president Rabani. One thing is clear that Taliban military campaign started after the announcement of Pakistani government to open a trade route through Afghanistan to Central Asia (former Soviet Central Asian Republics: Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan) and thousands of Taliban recruits came from Pakistan. Pakistan had and has long term interest in Afghanistan. Pakistan deny the secrete tie with Taliban. The Taliban force is said to have from 25 to 30 thousand militia, more than 200 tanks and dozen aircraft, all captured from the Mujaheedin groups. Iran turned against Taliban after they captured 3 provinces bordering with Iran in western Afghanistan. In the past few months of the Rabani's regime the diplomatic relationships between Kabul and Islamabad worst and cool. In Kabul, the government of Rabani insisted that Pakistan interface in inside Afghan affairs and closely support Taliban militia. By 1996 Taliban Militia captured most of Afghan provinces except Northern. By September 1996, Rabani government with his defense minister Ahmad Shah Masoud left Kabul without any resistance and Taliban Militia captured the power of Kabul and established more strict Islamic rules in Afghanistan. 27 Province of Afghanistan became to the hand of Taliban except 3 Northern provinces led by powerful Uzbek leader General Abdur Rashid Dostum. The process of establishment of peace in Afghanistan became more complicated with uprising movement of Taliban. Taliban banned women from work outside the home, banned girls schools. The listening of music is against the ethical Islamic codes, as results of such understanding they banned the music in Kabul. Most of international human rights organizations condemned the Taliban strict regime. The Taliban regime was recognized only by Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Emirate Arabia Republic. Link to views on Afgan activities afghan-info.com mad2

To: Worswick who wrote (79)	9/16/2001 4:19:52 PM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Attack plan ready... portal.telegraph.co.uk I'm agree with your points though. It's the small percentage of religious extremist nuts in each society that cause nearly all the problems. B52's and missiles will not solve that point. The Afghan people have been blown to bits for the last 20 yrs or so, it's only the nuts we should be going after.

To: Worswick who wrote (79)	9/16/2001 5:39:42 PM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Then for me, the first question becomes: how did the Mongols do it?

To: Worswick who wrote (79)	9/16/2001 6:07:53 PM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"How did the Mongols do it?" Is this a question you can shed any light on?