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To: stockman_scott who wrote (666)	9/21/2001 11:48:58 AM
From: trouthead	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

"The American people must "see themselves as soldiers" and be prepared for sacrifice, including casualties among military personnel and civilians. "They have to have a moral outrage in them but not crumble in the face of these attacks." I would like it if I could feel the "Moral Outrage". I am certainly angry and outraged by the action on Sept 11th 2001. But when I look at the history of the middle east and our foreign policy, I have a hard time feeling moral superiority, much less outrage. So I am in conflict. On the one hand I look at all the dead in the WTC and Pentagon bombings and I want to kick some ass. On the other I see the hand of our past actions indicating some responsibility for what happened. Responsibility, NOT BLAME. If we go into the middle east as though their is no blood on our hands we will be going in with one eye closed. I listened to the speech last night and I heard such a hard line. The taliban has now been backed into a corner that they can not get out of. They have neither the resources nor the ability to comply with the US request. It is clear to me that that was the intent. An invasion is being planned that will turn to occupation to...What? I think this action will not have the desired effect. I think they are going swat the bees nest. Instead of removing the bees sting they are going to create more bees. I know that some will interpret this as weak liberal blather, but I am trying to think long term. We all want a solution that will work for today, tomorrow, for 10 and 100 years. History shows that tit for tat (Northern Ireland, Palestine and Israel) reactions do not solve the problem. I also realize that there nay not be a solvable problem. The Osama bin Laden's of the world may not be people who can be reasoned with. If that is the case then a hard response is required. But first and foremost we should know. We should take the time, do the investigations, make the political contacts and know before we start killing. Thanks for listening. I think this is the greatest country in the world and want to live no where else. The freedom we have here to discuss and dissent are what make it so great. Peace, Love and Safety to all, jb

To: stockman_scott who wrote (666)	9/21/2001 1:36:01 PM
From: Frederick Langford	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 281500

Egypt rejects U.S. coalition, upgrades ties with Iraq SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM Friday, September 21, 2001 CAIRO — As a policy debate rages at top levels in the Bush administration over attacking the regime of President Saddam Hussein, Egypt is moving to improve relations with Iraq. Egyptian diplomats said President Hosni Mubarak plans to raise the level of representation between Baghdad and Cairo to the level of ambassador. They said diplomatic ties would be raised commensurate to the level of trade relations. Egypt has refused to participate in a U.S.-led military coalition against any Saudi billionaire fugitive Osama Bin Laden or any of his government sponsors. Instead, Mubarak has called for a United Nations-sponsored conference on international terrorism, Middle East Newsline reports. Egypt has sent a new charge d'affaires to Baghdad. He is Hussein Zoghbi, a 59-year-old former ambassador to Eritrea. In an interview to the Egyptian official Middle East News Agency, Zoghbi said Egyptian-Iraqi relations would soon be renewed at the level of full diplomatic ties. He said such relations are developing in cooperation with Iraq. Egypt and Iraq have agreed to increase trade relations, including the establishment of a free trade zone. Iraq has also agreed to increase the number of Egyptian laborers in the country. Zoghbi said his job would focus on representing Egyptian nationals in Iraq.