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To: John F Beule who wrote (124556)	9/21/2001 9:48:53 AM
From: Joseph Beltran	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

No, John: Airline security IS one of the issues here. And the fact is that we had NO security. That is evident from what happened. Years ago, airlines were told to buy better equipment and hire betterpeople and beef up their search of luggage. They fought it. They were told to place armed marshalls on all flights. They fought that.They were told to install new cockpit doors and locks. They fought that. I am convinced that if marshall were on the flights and access to the ockpit was denied, this would not have occurred. Period.

To: John F Beule who wrote (124556)	9/22/2001 12:27:34 AM
From: Bulls	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

While I agree with you logic, lets think for a second. If we don't bail them out what happens? Let me clue you in. Depression... not recession. This country depends on airlines and air transporting of goods, period. While I am angered also at the lack of security I have seen for years, I cannot say the the US economy should be destroyed because of it. We need a bailout and a solution to the security problem. The solution to the lack of security is a simple one in my mind. Make the security the job of the FEDS, and put a steel door to the cockpit or solid wood like the Israeli's do. MY .02 Also fire all the F'in CEO's of the airlines, make them poor, and replace them with people who can run a business without their head up their a$$.

To: John F Beule who wrote (124556)	9/23/2001 1:52:07 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

Dear John, You are an astonishment of ill considered viewpoints. Instead of Clown Free, you, sir, are the Clown Complete. We stopped 100 terrorist plots in the last few years? Oh, really? Where do you get your proof? What's your source? The Drudge Report? Or maybe Jerry Falwell has opened your blind eyes. Gimme a break. Don't even begin to think that people on this thread are gullible enough to buy into your delusional output. Regarding the pathetic and misguided attempt by airline industry executives to promote their insane "free market/de-regulated" concepts, they foisted a baggage check system on this country that employeed no less than 80% foreign nationals to provide the U.S. with security in our airports. Does this seem insane to you? It sure does to me. Except when I see why they did it. So that it could be a low bid operation that destroyed unions. Then it becomes perfectly clear what this nonsense is all about. As to the liability suits that are about to be filed against the airlines, all I can say is that the executives of these companies ought to lose their "corporate veil" and be personally bankrupted and then criminally prosecuted becasue they've been disgusting maggots as far as collecting millions in compensation while recklessly endangering the flying public for the sake of their own warped view of the world. Regarding foreign aid, which you probably haven't paid the least bit of attention to in the last three decades due to you ideological blindness, it's at an extremely low level, compared with our efforts in the past, and it is still spent the same way it always was, with U.S. companies providing "in-kind" or "in-place" benefits to the recipient countries who get little or no cash compensation (aside from the bribes paid to the pols) out of what is basically a welfare program for American corporations. Or are you too stupid to understand how this works. Your post highlights the fact that you need to spend way more time understanding the world you live in before you attempt to contribute to an intelligent dialogue. You are too clueless for that. Shape up. R.