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To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (4395)	10/11/2001 6:57:24 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

The check mate..11th Sept has changed a lot in Pakistan in our region and in ME; these pockets of terror will have to go now immediately. The sources of these problems will be looked at also very hard, but for my country the release of its ‘core’ from the gutter of extremism is best thing that could have happened to our region, we are in my opinion richer now in terms of our ability to take on the extremists, we have called their bluff and disarmed them hopefully once Osama and colleagues are out of the way the terror Inc. will die, it will have a massive impact on Pakistan too, in terms of Pakistan dependency, many thought that we are going to implode or become a new Yugoslavia but our ability to act on that midnight call demanding us as ‘friend or foe’ made us dependable people, we distinguish between horror and vain Islam. Muslims as a nation rarely miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Look at sad characters of Yaser Arafat, Saddam Hussein Ghaddafi or Assad, it is that conceited bragging that has destroyed these nations, remember that ‘mother of all wars’ that became mother of all defeats.’ Not many a Muslim nations in the past including Palestine, Iraq, Syria or Libya or any o the rejectionists state have taken right decisions at he right time. Even Muslim Turkey during the First World War made the wrong decision to side with Germans, that resulted in dismemberment of Turkish Empire. The wrong decision on 11th night would have dismembered Pakistan, a script that was very much liked by many in our region and out of our region. No one expected that Pakistan would do a responsible thing, that has lot to do with propaganda, most of our action as a nuclear power has been very very responsible but the image given to the world by the media was that we are a trigger free nuclear state, our army is about to implode, people who have no idea of the structure and ethos of our army would consider Musharraf dead or killed in coup any time without knowing that their has been no colonel coups within Pakistan army and all our ex-Presidents are not dead or killed, the two who died without natural cause Liaquat and Bhutto only one was assassinated one in 1950 other in 1978 was hanged after a Supreme Court decision where he was charged for being found accomplice in a conspiracy to take out an political opponent, I was sent a post yestrday by a poster that soon we will see Musharraf not coming alive out of this ordeal as Pakistan will implode, but the guy had no idea that even coups are bloodless in Pakistan, and scenes on CNN are little far from reality, no one really wants under the bombs,this is nice eye opener for those who wanted us to be under this barrage, we have in our country freedom that I can write all this in my name and ISI has no dossier on me. All this non-sense is some thing that today the critics of Pakistan are unable to re-concile with a state that has shown absolutely a different civilised face. Of curse the propaganda and propagandists have their own hidden views, we as a nation has sold our self all the time for the sake of Islam too cheaply, Arafat is closest Indian ally is their all the time but when it comes to Israel uses us as a bait, now we will soon have the ability to ditch this baggage once for all free our foreign policy go ahead and recognise Israel. That will help us regain a good media in the west. What most of the analysts fail on when the ‘sad saga or death of Pakistan as a state was being planned’ it was always a violent end as Pakistan heroically would decide to put ‘greater Islamic needs and as fortress of Islam we would go ahead of nation hood, what these guys don’t understand that by ditching ideological bearing and mooring with Islam comes first we have now burnt our boats, we have shown to the world that our national interest comes first and not anymore Muslim brother hood, that is the change and that change alone could never ever anticipated by any of our enemies in the region. However, the net result is that nations are known by their ability to stand in time of need with the victim, we did when it was required from us, that have earned us our laurels, not to be aim of this justice mission is a great reprieve. Nest time this will be an ice lesson also that improper behaviours will be chucked so hopefully this cross border terrorism will stop and most of the pending political issues looked at. For sake of ‘not antagonising’ our extremists populace and our neighbours the things that are happening are not being reported, however our contribution is far bigger than Britain or any other ally, we have done what even Nato has not done so far, this is game of ‘balls’ and ‘game of attitude’ we have both and that troubles many, this is what a brave nation IS ALL ASBOUT.. WE are proud of standing on the side of civilised nations and those who can still think we go to dogs they need to know that it is once in history that events like 11th sept happen, irresponsible nations fall, only responsible one stand up to the challenge that is what is the big difference between Omar of Afghanistan, Saddam of Iraq and others, we defied all apprehensions and that is what it counts in global strategy the check mate, we went for the jugular. We will come out strong and part of the civilised nations that makes me feel good and hopefully we will be a force in the region to ensure stability, if we are stable and progressive the region will flourish.

To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (4395)	10/11/2001 7:42:23 PM
From: ratan lal	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 281500

I do hope that he pursues peace with India. India and pakiland will never be at peace just like Israel and Palestine will never be at peace. Here's an interesting story... An Indian and 2 pakistanis were traveling in a plane, Indian in the aisle seat sitting comfortably wiht his shoes off. As the plane took off, the pakistani in the middle seat askd the Inidan ot let him out so he could get a coke. The Indian offered ot get the coke for him and as he left to get it, the pakistani spit in the Indian's shoe. When he got back the other pakistani aslo requested a coke. the Indian obliged and went to get it. The pakistani spit in the other shoe. When the palne was about to land, the Indian put on his shoes and immediately realized what had happened. He looked ove at the Pakistanis and said " Why can't we just get along. How long is this going to go on, you spitting in my shoes, me pissing in your coke........