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To: cosmicforce who wrote (32744)	10/15/2001 12:21:32 AM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

I still think you are confused by relativism. I'm only confused because I am being given different definitions by different people. You say that its a matter of opinion (adding "of the group that holds it") others say that if the situation matters or if you have to use words (like murder) that are open to interpretation to describe it then you are talking about moral relativism. It's not that difficult of a concept. If you believe that something or someone can stand independent of the observation act (whether it is one or many that hold it), then you are believe in absolutes. That is pretty much the definition I would have used. I would probably have worded it differently but essentially meant the same thing. By that standard I am a believer in moral absolutes. Tim

To: cosmicforce who wrote (32744)	10/15/2001 12:51:49 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Excellent post...

To: cosmicforce who wrote (32744)	10/15/2001 10:37:54 AM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"Since you can't show me such a bias neutral vantage point (and the fact that our universe almost prohibits such absolute points of view), I say no such vantage point exists." Actually, do not the big bang, expanding universe, and the second law of thermodynamics all point to, and indeed demand, that the universe had a separate, and non-contingent cause? If this is so then it is quite likely that such an independent (outside of space and time) vantage point does indeed exist and would explain why we (humans) act as if there were.