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To: HG who wrote (6138)	10/19/2001 12:24:51 AM
From: kumar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

been to Jeddah. in most respects, what u stated is true. exception : the laws apply to socialising in public, not in a private residence. I use the word "socialising" in a very narrow sense. re 5 minutes out of Aramco, u'd need to be masochistic to try it. cheers, kumar

To: HG who wrote (6138)	10/19/2001 12:49:27 AM
From: Qone0	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I think the problem is not with women leaving the house by themselves. As far as I know <and I may be wrong>, they're allowed to do that. What they are not allowed is, to walk with any man who is not their husband or their brother or their father. You are wrong. See #2 but the intention is precisely not to let women get raped and harmed. Wrong again. The intention is keep men and women apart. So that women can be used as a currency as arranged brides. See 7,8,9,10. Taliban restrictions and mistreatment of women include the: 1- Complete ban on women's work outside the home, which also applies to female teachers, engineers and most professionals. Only a few female doctors and nurses are allowed to work in some hospitals in Kabul. 2- Complete ban on women's activity outside the home unless accompanied by a mahram (close male relative such as a father, brother or husband). 3- Ban on women dealing with male shopkeepers. 4- Ban on women being treated by male doctors. 5- Ban on women studying at schools, universities or any other educational institution. (Taliban have converted girls' schools into religious seminaries.) 6- Requirement that women wear a long veil (Burqa), which covers them from head to toe. 7- Whipping, beating and verbal abuse of women not clothed in accordance with Taliban rules, or of women unaccompanied by a mahram. 8- Whipping of women in public for having non-covered ankles. 9- Public stoning of women accused of having sex outside marriage. (A number of lovers are stoned to death under this rule). 10- Ban on the use of cosmetics. (Many women with painted nails have had fingers cut off). 11- Ban on women talking or shaking hands with non-mahram males. 12- Ban on women laughing loudly. (No stranger should hear a woman's voice). 13- Ban on women wearing high heel shoes, which would produce sound while walking. (A man must not hear a woman's footsteps.) 14- Ban on women riding in a taxi without a mahram. 15- Ban on women's presence in radio, television or public gatherings of any kind. 16- Ban on women playing sports or entering a sport center or club. 17- Ban on women riding bicycles or motorcycles, even with their mahrams. 18- Ban on women's wearing brightly colored clothes. In Taliban terms, these are "sexually attracting colors." 19- Ban on women gathering for festive occasions such as the Eids, or for any recreational purpose. 20- Ban on women washing clothes next to rivers or in a public place. 21- Modification of all place names including the word "women." For example, "women's garden" has been renamed "spring garden". 22- Ban on women appearing on the balconies of their apartments or houses. 23- Compulsory painting of all windows, so women can not be seen from outside their homes. 24- Ban on male tailors taking women's measurements or sewing women's clothes. 25- Ban on female public baths. 26- Ban on males and females traveling on the same bus. Public buses have now been designated "males only" (or "females only"). 27- Ban on flared (wide) pant-legs, even under a burqa. 28- Ban on the photographing or filming of women. 29- Ban on women's pictures printed in newspapers and books, or hung on the walls of houses and shops. rawa.fancymarketing.net

To: HG who wrote (6138)	10/19/2001 1:42:17 AM
From: CountofMoneyCristo	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Women chooose to suffer rather than stand up for themselves. Its a feminine thing, everywhere in the world. Well, I have a request of you before I sign off this evening: would you care to send the above statement, along with your name and return address to the National Organization for Women? Somehow I believe they would be quite interested in this statement. By the way, you stated as follows, here: Message 16527384 And besides....that should've been ma'am, not sir. I think now everyone here knows that you are either one of, or, curiously perhaps all, of the following: 1. a disgraceful, insulting liar 2. a woman who resents all other members of her own sex 3. both male and female all at once (congratulations) O. A.