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To: michael97123 who wrote (12)	10/24/2001 3:16:26 PM
From: FiloF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 786

Mike: You seem pretty upset today. I understand where you are coming from -- every time I hear sirens outside my office here in the city, I get a bit stressed and wonder... Obviously, though, the use of nukes is one tough issue (could be the toughest of all). I can understand arguments on all sides. Don't you at least consider some of the anti-nuke arguments to have some validity? Check this out: Experts in profiling criminals viewed the release of the letters and the identical dates as indications that investigators believe they are dealing with a domestic terrorist capitalizing on the Sept. 11 attacks. Scary that this could be NOT linked to the same group of terrorists. (WINS) October 24, 2001 2:43 pm WASHINGTON (AP) - No link has been established between the Sept. 11 hijackings and anthrax attacks that were meant to terrorize the nation, FBI Director Robert Mueller said Wednesday. Mueller assured the nation's mayors the bureau has assigned unprecedented resources - one of every four employees - to the hijacking and anthrax investigations. ``At this point it is not clear if the few confirmed anthrax exposures were motivated by organized terrorism,'' Mueller told the U.S. Conference of Mayors. ``But these attacks were clearly meant to terrorize a country already on the edge.'' The director said more than 7,000 FBI personnel are conducting the investigations. Three anthrax-tainted letters made public Tuesday included the words ``Death to America'' and the date ``09-11-01'' at the top, indicating the anthrax incidents were coordinated. The Justice Department released copies as it sought help from the public in identifying those responsible for the mail attacks that have killed three people and possibly infected more than a dozen others. The letters have other similarities suggesting anthrax attacks in New York, Washington and Florida were an organized effort. The strain of anthrax found in two letters and bacteria found at a Florida publishing company were similar. And the three letters were all postmarked from Trenton, N.J. Letters sent to NBC News anchorman Tom Brokaw and the New York Post appeared identical. Both warned recipients to ``Take penacilin now,'' with penicillin misspelled, and also said, ``Death to America,'' ``Death to Israel'' and ``Allah is Great.'' The envelope that contained the New York Post letter was written in the same sort of block letters, slanted to the right, as two envelopes addressed to Brokaw and Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, released earlier. The letter to Daschle contained seven lines written in block letters similar to the other two. ``You can not stop us. We have this anthrax. You die now. Are you afraid? Death to America. Death to Israel. Allah is great.'' Atop all three notes was the date ``09-11-01'' in identical handwriting. The envelopes to Brokaw and the newspaper were postmarked Sept. 18. The Daschle letter was postmarked Oct. 9. Attorney General John Ashcroft said investigators hoped to develop new leads by releasing photographs of the letters and to warn Americans of mail to be wary of. ``All of these ... we hope will alert citizens and others to the kind of thing to look for,'' said Ashcroft. Despite the dates on the letters, Ashcroft said authorities can't prove a link to the men who carried out the airliner attacks last month. Experts in profiling criminals viewed the release of the letters and the identical dates as indications that investigators believe they are dealing with a domestic terrorist capitalizing on the Sept. 11 attacks. They noted that authorities caught Theodore Kaczynski, the so-called Unabomber, after releasing his 35,000-word ``manifesto,'' which was recognized by Kaczynski's brother. ``The key is access to the bacteria,'' said Robert K. Ressler, a former FBI criminal profiler. USA Today reported Wednesday that authorities were trying to determine whether chemicals in the anthrax matched samples of biological weapons stocks from Iraq, the former Soviet Union and other nations. The chemicals help the anthrax spores float in the air and thus become capable of being inhaled. But officials told the newspaper this does not necessarily mean the U.S. attacks were state-sponsored. Investigators have questioned researchers at labs and universities that may have access to anthrax. They are also questioning labs that have supplies of anthrax available for researchers about who has obtained the bacteria. Meanwhile, Ashcroft said a terrorist cell operating in Hamburg, Germany, and the United States since at least 1999 included three of the hijackers and three accomplices who helped them plan and carry out the Sept. 11 attacks. Said Bahaji, Ramsi Binalshibh and Zakariya Essabar were being sought on international arrest warrants. Ashcroft said the three had extensive connections to Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, the suspected pilots of the hijacked planes that crashed into the World Trade Center in New York, and Ziad Jarrah, suspected of flying the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. German Interior Minister Otto Schily, who met with Ashcroft on Tuesday, declined to provide information about evidence developed in Germany that the three fugitives planned the attacks, citing the investigation. Ashcroft said others probably also helped in the plot. Separately, German authorities arrested a Turkish man trying to board a flight to Iran after authorities found a holy war CD-ROM, a protective suit against biological and chemical weapons and equipment to make a detonator in his bag. The man's lawyer said the bag and the equipment did not belong to his client.

To: michael97123 who wrote (12)	10/24/2001 3:29:22 PM
From: Math Junkie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 786

"We keep bombing with 10 F19's while millions die here because we are better that they are. Unbelievable to me. Lets put our faith in the Northern Alliance i guess." Wow, you sure like to exaggerate. "So after your kids, grandkids friend and relatives are gone I guess you will take solace in the fact that we are better than they are?" I don't care one whit whether we are better than they are. Living according to one's own principles is not based on how good or bad someone else is. You are selling our country short if you think that the only way we can win is to abandon our principles. Furthermore, I believe that any military actions we take should have a sound military rationale, and should have a high likelihood of doing more good than harm. "Glad you are not in command." Me too! "I guess deterrence in the cold war was wrong too. In your scenario they would have attacked and won long ago." I just got through saying that deterrence is necessary and that its usefulness must be protected. "We should never have deterred or deterred and lied by not responding in the end like a bluff in a poker game." I disagree. "You guys got me talking to myself." Don't you think it has more to do with what you've been through than the fact that people disagree with you on a message board? "I will set up a thread just for me i think. I cant take this silliness from folks who are so smart." Some of your posts look pretty silly too, but up till now I have tried not to say so. "Brians a pacifist so i understand. You guys are just weird." Thank you so much for the personal attack. Really makes my day.