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To: lorne who wrote (10882)	1/13/2002 1:52:23 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Still looking for info as to whether philistines predated Israelites.>>> newadvent.org That is not possible..The only reason they are recorded in history is (Biblical times) the history of is of course written by Israelites..(with G..d help) ,<g>

To: lorne who wrote (10882)	1/13/2002 1:56:32 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Historically, governments have attempted to exact loyalty from those placed by history within their boundaries. Surely there is a better way to determine who will be the subjects. Certainly no people should be required by force to live under a government that is hateful to them. I suggest that now is the time to create a climate where governments compete for the loyalties of their citizens and where geographic and thus political boundaries change by agreement between the governing and the governed. Leaders and their bureaucrats should be required to compete for the loyalties of their subjects; governments should rise and fall in keeping with the peoples' cumulatively expressed desires. Moreover, an individual should be allowed to request recognition by the government of his choice and, once recognized, be free (under agreed-upon restrictions) to move into the geographical area controlled by that government. Thus peoples of like interest or like ethnicity may become concentrated in specific locales and cooperatively influence the government there more to their liking. I further suggest that a government is a consortium of individuals acting on behalf of those subject to it. Moreover, peoples, acting through their governments, should be free to join in confederations of varying degrees of tightness, or overlapping jurisdictions, for administrative or other mutually agreed purposes. So much for grand philosophy; there must, of course, be a reasonable degree of stability mindspring.com

To: lorne who wrote (10882)	1/13/2002 2:12:28 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 23908

Lorne, all nation's boundaries were drawn and redrawn by migration, wars, conflict...Many countries/populace are still undergoing this process...(Former USSR), it is possible that Kurdish issue, or Pashtun's will be also resolved by changing boundaries in the future.... Recognition of the boundaries by International Community at present, what makes border stick...but not to combatants...(Chechens, Kurds, ets..) That is why PLO is concerned about declaring State...without Internationally Recognised borders, they might just end-up in the self-declared borders...(which would happen anyway, as they have no means of enforcing borders on Israel...) Any future war would likely lead to even more unfavorable for PLO, borders...

To: lorne who wrote (10882)	1/14/2002 1:04:45 AM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

faculty.biu.ac.il arab.net olrcweb.bham.ac.uk What happened 50 years ago is massively more relevant than what happened 3000 years ago. For one thing, we don't really know what happened 3000 years ago. There is a considerable school of thought among historians that King David and all those stories are complete myths (along with Jesus and other Biblical characters). Furthermore, the current Israeli immigrants are hardly, if at all, related to the Hebrews of 3000 years ago. In contrast, the Palestinians of today are the very same people who were dispossessed 50 years ago, or they are direct descendants. Tom