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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: TimF who wrote (42587)1/23/2002 3:58:02 PM
From: Lazarus_Long  Respond to of 82486
 
And actually I'd agree with every word of that. Realistically, the Japanese never had a chance. Yamamoto knew and hoped for a miracle he didn't get. He may have been the only one, though.



To: TimF who wrote (42587)1/23/2002 4:58:25 PM
From: J. C. Dithers  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486
 
...by winning the Battle of Britain, and invading England successfully...

That probably would have the been the war right there in 1940, Tim ... we lost before we started. The scenario is fascinating (and frightening) to contemplate. Germany now has only a one-front war if it chooses to invade Russia, and can pick its own time to do so. The powerful German Navy is no longer bottled up by the Royal Navy, and comes out with its surface battleships, along with the subs, to rule the Atlantic. (Perhaps the Germans get the former Royal Navy, unless it is scuttled). There is no base for the U.S. to mount any invasion of Europe, even if we could manage to get troops across the Atlantic. Japan has Germany and Italy as allies who would declare war upon us, if we declare war upon Japan. Churchill said that the free world as we knew it hung in the balance while Britain and Germany battled out air supremacy, and it is hard to see any way where that was not the case. They all would have come after us in the Western Hemisphere sooner or later.

Edit: Never have so many owed so much to so few



To: TimF who wrote (42587)1/23/2002 5:38:48 PM
From: The Philosopher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
In a sense the war was lost by Japan on Dec 7 1941

Gee, don't give the revisionists such an easy opening, or they'll claim that all our invasions of the islands, all our bombing of Tokyo, all our sinking of Japanese shipping, were all wrong and evil and wicked, and we should just have negotiated a peace on December 8th.